Was Minolta Canada killed on purpose?

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Rich, Sep 8, 2005.

  1. Rich

    Rich Guest

    By Canon and Nikon? Were retailers told to keep
    prices at MSRP for Minolta while Canon and Nikon were
    discounted? Check out these price comparisons:

    Canada - 20 D 1600 Canada (about 1350 US dollars) (Henry's)
    US - 20 D 1300 bucks at B&H

    Canada - 7D 2000 Cad dollars (about 1685 US dollars) (Henry's)
    US - 7D - 900 US after rebate.
     
    Rich, Sep 8, 2005
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  2. Rich

    Darrell Guest

    Henry's is a poor example;

    http://www.galaxycamera.com/dicam_minolta.html price was dropped to $1500

    http://www.cameracanada.com/eNet-cart/Default.asp?cat=CAMSLR&type=1&mkt=&brand=Minolta

    http://www.simonscameras.com/viewdetails.asp?item=1792

    Henry's never discounted the 7D, neither did Vistek.
     
    Darrell, Sep 8, 2005
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  3. Rich

    Stan Birch Guest

    Maybe basic cameras are competitive. But Canon lens prices are a way
    out of whack with US prices; and Henry's places the blame on Canon
    Canada for that.

    The best I could do on a package deal: Rebel XT kit; 70-200 2.8L IS;
    and 1.4X; even with the manager being brought into the fray, was
    around $200 more for the 70-200. They are familiar with B&H prices,
    but say that because of Canon Canada's pricing structure, there is
    just no way they can compete with American lens prices. :-(
     
    Stan Birch, Sep 8, 2005
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  4. Rich

    dylan Guest

    If it's a conspiracy we'll see whose's next, Sigma Canada pehaps ?
     
    dylan, Sep 8, 2005
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  5. Rich

    Proconsul Guest

    So buy from American vendors - what's the problem?

    PC
     
    Proconsul, Sep 8, 2005
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  6. Rich

    Alan Browne Guest



    Canadian distribution of all products from all vendors his way out of
    line wrt to the US distribution.

    I got the 7D for well under $1800 back when it was retailling for 1800 -
    1900. It is now much less here and further, the $200 rebate was
    applied. (I got it even though I officially did not qualify for it (date)).

    Henry's (Toronto) have gone bananas in the last couple years, their
    prices are way out of line on new stuff.

    The Nikon Coolscan is US$2000 at B&H and CAD $3200 - $3300 here in
    Canadian stores. Total and absolute nonsense.

    In response to my complaint to Nikon Canada, their reply was evasive.

    I just purchased a new meter at B&H for delivery in Florida (where I'll
    be next week). Even paying Shipping to Florida and GST/PST on return
    I'll save a bundle.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 8, 2005
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  7. Rich

    burnsdavidj Guest

    I'm not certain, but usually if there's a Canadian arm/division of a
    corporation, they have exclusive warranty rights in Canada. So if you
    buy an Canon US lens, you're ineligible for warranty service (or its
    exceedingly expensive due to shipping) as a foreigner, and Canon Canada
    refuses to honour the warranty. Canon US equipment would be equivalent
    to 'grey market' product in Canada. :(

    Canadian $ is about $0.80 of the USD now, so there's shouldn't be that
    much of a discrepancy between prices ... the Camera market appears
    quite finicky though. Regularly I get computer components much cheaper
    than the going rate in the US even factoring the exchange rate in.
     
    burnsdavidj, Sep 8, 2005
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  8. Rich

    Stan Birch Guest

    While that's usually the case, Canon **cameras** carry a North America
    wide warranty. It's not necessarily the same for all Canon products
    though. My printer for instance, is country specific. For Pentax
    stuff, products purchased in the US, have to be sent to the US for
    warranty service
    I calculating the more expensive cost of purchasing a Canon lens, I've
    taken the exchange into account. If Canon Canada has a warehouse full
    of stuff that they imported with a 78 cent dollar, just because the
    Canadian dollar is 84 cents today, doesn't mean that Canon Canada can
    suddenly offer their products for any less, until their current stock
    is depleted.
     
    Stan Birch, Sep 8, 2005
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  9. Rich

    Rich Guest

    And yet the oil companies after refining and establishing a cost,
    RAISE gasoline prices when the price of crude rises. Looks like not
    all businesses operate the same?
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Sep 8, 2005
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  10. Rich

    Rich Guest

    Canon 5D $3300 U.S. in the U.S., $3800 U.S. in Canada.
     
    Rich, Sep 8, 2005
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  11. Rich

    Basic Wedge Guest

    The Minolta 7D came to market while I was still trying to choose a system,
    and it arrived carrying a very hefty price tag. When I priced-out a full
    system, Minolta was $1,000 higher than a Canon 20D based system. High prices
    for bodies and lenses, and a limited selection of lenses and accessories
    couldn't have helped Minolta's cause in the Canadian market. Heralding a six
    megapixel sensor, when your lower priced rival already offers eight, only
    compounded their difficulty.

    Anyway, it reminds of when they stopped selling Yugos in Canada. It took
    time, but we put it behind us. :)

    Rob
     
    Basic Wedge, Sep 9, 2005
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    eawckyegcy Guest

    Hardly.

    None of the Canadian retailers have anywhere near the volume of the NYC
    mail-order outfits. A simple test of volume is their inventories of
    rare or very expensive items. Example: neither Henry's or Vistek, as
    far as I know, stock the Canon EF 500/4L. I would expect the price, if
    one was stupid enough to obtain one through either of these outlets,
    would be 30 to 50% higher than B&H and the delay would be weeks, if not
    months. Contrast this to the fact that to obtain mine last year, I
    just picked up the phone and called B&H and it was in my hands a few
    days later.
     
    eawckyegcy, Sep 9, 2005
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  13. Rich

    eawckyegcy Guest

    Rich is an economically ignorant retard:
    If you don't like how someone is pricing merchandise, you are free to
    take your business elsewhere. In return for your freedom from being
    forced to buy on their terms, they are equally free not to sell on your
    terms.
     
    eawckyegcy, Sep 9, 2005
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  14. Rich

    eawckyegcy Guest

    Rich puts on his tin-foil hat and scratches in the sand:
    Or are you just a frantic market-watching nitwit in a continual state
    of withdrawl, fantasizing about equipment you can never possibly own?
    Did you know that drug addicts are continually fascinated by the market
    conditions for the dope they consume? Marvellously detailed theories
    are concocted to explain the behaviour of their dealers.
     
    eawckyegcy, Sep 9, 2005
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  15. Rich

    Proconsul Guest

    You are probably paying a hidden tax to finance your "free" medical
    care.....:)

    PC
     
    Proconsul, Sep 9, 2005
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  16. Rich

    Rich Guest

    Ah yes, the response of the purely ignorant reactionary poster.
    After your "Canada is a small market speech" ask yourself why
    some products (Olympus) aren't huge ripoffs here while Minolta's
    DSLR is. Your all-encompassing theory doesn't fit.
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Sep 9, 2005
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  17. Canon 5D $4500 AUD in Australia. Currency conversion of USD puts it at
    $4,278.62 AUD. I guess the pigeons flying in tandem to relieve the
    stress of carrying the thing cost a few bucks so there's no real saving
    here.
     
    Pix on Canvas, Sep 9, 2005
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  18. Rich

    Stan Birch Guest

    Even if that were the case, it would really be no big deal. Having
    lived, and actually survived a number of decades under the Canadian
    Medical system I really have no complaints.

    Like . . . in observing even the most basic and primitive of indices
    such as maternal survial-rate, the Canadian medical system is still
    blowing away the American rate on a >2X basis. Even Cuba has a better
    track-record than that!
     
    Stan Birch, Sep 9, 2005
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  19. Rich

    Darrell Guest

    There is no Sigma Canada. Sigma is distributed by Gentec which is a small
    importer. Konica-Minolta Canada was a subsidiary of Konica-Minolta Corp.
     
    Darrell, Sep 9, 2005
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  20. Rich

    Proconsul Guest

    || You are probably paying a hidden tax to finance your "free" medical
    || care.....:)
    |
    | Even if that were the case, it would really be no big deal. Having
    | lived, and actually survived a number of decades under the Canadian
    | Medical system I really have no complaints.
    |
    | Like . . . in observing even the most basic and primitive of indices
    | such as maternal survial-rate, the Canadian medical system is still
    | blowing away the American rate on a >2X basis. Even Cuba has a better
    | track-record than that!

    Yeah - I'm sure that's why Seattle hospitals are flooded with Canadians who
    come over the border to get the care and treatment that their system
    "rations" out to them. The Canadian system is great - as long as you don't
    get sick and don't need medical care....! The onlyt thing that prevents
    chaos and collapse is "rationing" care. I'll take our system any day.....

    Check out the numbedr of Canadians who live in Ontario and go to Detroit,
    Chicago and other such centers....

    Ask yourself why 95% of all Canadians live within a hundred miles of the US
    border....

    PC
     
    Proconsul, Sep 9, 2005
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