We don' need no stiinkin' Kodachrome. We got jets, man, we got jets.

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Nicholas O. Lindan, Apr 25, 2007.

  1. http://www.jemof.com/epfp.html **

    So, who's the first to convert his jpgs to
    Carrousel Compatible Media?

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    Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
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    n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

    ** web site on making 8/16mm movies by ink-jet
    printing on overhead transparency media.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Apr 25, 2007
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  2. Nicholas O. Lindan

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    Not me, I still use film and film cameras.


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    Starlord, Apr 25, 2007
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    Beware the "One-Size-Fits-All" mentality. Someone switches to digital, and
    then declares to the world that "film is dead," and that film shooters
    should see the light and move on.

    There are millions of superb film camera and lens systems out there.
    Contax. Pentax. Nikon. Leica. Zeiss Ikon. They produce incredible
    images. Zeiss has recently introduced their ZF (Nikon mount) and ZS (Pentax
    Screw Mount) lenses for older SLRs. I looked at KEH's site yesterday and
    some of the Contax bodies and lenses made my mouth water.

    Is all that gear headed for the trash bin? I doubt it. I, for one, am not
    about to dump all my bodies and lenses in exchange for some lightweight
    plastic junk that will be obsolete in 18 months. Just give me my film
    scanner, and I'm as "Digital" as I want to be.

    And heads turn whenever I'm out with my Honeywell Pentax ES-II, with its
    black enamel paint finish and that incredible SMC Takumar 50/1.4 lens. Even
    people that know virtually nothing about photo gear ask me what kind of
    camera that is. Everyone is amazed when I tell them that I've owned it for
    a third of a century!

    And we are all expected to chuck our classic gear, just because some moron
    chucked his? Methinks not.
     
    jeremy, Apr 25, 2007
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  4. That's ok: you can scan the film; print the jpgs as
    24x36mm images on overhead transparency stock with
    an inkjet printer; Mount the images in 35mm slide
    mounts; Load in a slide projector; Invite the
    neighbors over; Project.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Apr 25, 2007
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  5. Nicholas O. Lindan

    Starlord Guest

    While I've not seen just that camera set up, I window shop on e-bay in the
    35mm SLR listings and I have to keep my keyboard covered when I do that or
    I'll get it wet from all the ones I see that I would like to have. Heck
    eveny now and then I throw a ceap bid in just to see how fast the snipers
    will jump on it!

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    universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
    Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
    brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
    heavens.


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    Starlord, Apr 25, 2007
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  6. Nicholas O. Lindan

    Starlord Guest

    Even Better deal is that I send my film into snapfish.com who not only
    delv's the film but also prints it and mails both back to me and before
    mailing it while doing prints, they make a .jpg copy and put it in my
    account in a folder named by the date of the printing. Then I get a notice
    of the new folder that same day and within a week I get my neg's and my
    prints and then if I want to do anything fany to an image or make a bigger
    one, I can then use my scanner to scan the print of Neg with, heck I stil
    scan my slides too. But I've seen a lot of the old B/W photos and they'd be
    poor in normal color image.

    Heck I sill have some of that 100FT roll to use up too. and it's all B/W :}


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    brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
    heavens.


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    Starlord, Apr 25, 2007
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  7. On a slightly similar note, in cases where I've got a digital B&W (scan and
    photoshop fix from a neg, image shot digitally etc), I've often pondered a
    way of getting a real B&W print. RA4 digital minilab prints from frontiers
    etc just don't do it for me, and inkjet B&W prints look just disgusting. The
    method i've considered is using an inkjet printer to print a negative onto
    transparency paper at the final size (5x7, 8x10) and then contact print that
    onto true B&W paper. I suspect it should go ok, because B&W inkjet prints
    look horrible because of the mix of shades of colour. If it is then printed
    onto B&W paper that won't be an issue.
    One of these days I'll do some experimentation and actually try this. I've
    added it to the "one of these days" list, which is getting things added to
    it faster than things get ticked off :-(
     
    Graham Fountain, Apr 25, 2007
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  8. Its too bad no one makes panchromatic paper any more.
    Perhaps Ilford could be talked into making some, I suspect
    there would be enough of a market to justify a couple of
    runs a year. Panchromatic paper makes excellent prints from
    color negatives and can be used for making paper negatives
    for printing from color transparencies although its probably
    better to make an enlarged interneg using something like
    T-Max 100.
     
    Richard Knoppow, Apr 26, 2007
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  9. Ektacolor and Ektachrome were notorious for color
    fading. Kodachrome has excellent resistance to fading when
    stored in the dark but will fade when subjected to strong
    light as when its projected. Ektachrome actually has better
    resistance to intense light but fades in the dark.
    Eastman color negative film, on which a great many
    feature pictures were photographed, also faded pretty
    rapidly, the original Anscocolor was even worse. A lot of
    old color movies exist now because of frame by frame
    computer restoration. Some producers had color separation
    master postives made from the original color negative.
    These, of course, are B&W with a very long life, but not
    many producers had the forsight to spend the extra money to
    do it.
    The original Technicolor process made three color
    separation negatives directly in the camera. These have
    survived pretty well other than the usual problems with
    nitrate film. Also, Technicolor used quite stable dyes in
    their dye transfer prints so many Technicolor prints from
    the 30's and 40's are still in good shape, at least as far
    as color. Again, the nitrate film of the time has mostly
    decomposed to the point where it can't be projected.
     
    Richard Knoppow, Apr 26, 2007
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  10. Hi Graham,

    Try http://preview.tinyurl.com/h4tgh .

    (This is a previewable link to the Ilford Photo/Harman Technology Ltd.
    site.)

    You'd need to find a Durst Lambda or Océ Lightjet lab to do this, but it is
    now doable.

    Ken
     
    Ken Nadvornick, Apr 26, 2007
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  11. Nicholas O. Lindan spake thus:
    One of the comments on this technique from one of the video clips echoes
    my own reaction: " Oh my god you cut all the sprocket holes by
    hand?!?!?! holy shit."


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    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Apr 26, 2007
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  12. Nicholas O. Lindan

    Scott W Guest

    Seems like a huge amount of work for an incredibly poor result.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Apr 26, 2007
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  13. Scott W spake thus:
    You might be missing the point of the exercise, which is certainly not
    the development of a commercially-viable process. It's something called
    "fun".

    I wrote the guy and suggested he might try 16mm as a medium (4x the
    image area).


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    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Apr 26, 2007
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  14. Follow up...

    Here's a Lambda lab in Toronto, Canada offering the above technology. They
    were also active as a "pre-launch trial" test site for the new Ilford
    product.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/2q87r6

    (This is a previewable link to Elevator Digital's Photographic Services
    page.)

    Click on the "Lambda Premium Digital Printing" link to load a price list in
    a PDF-formatted document.

    Ken
     
    Ken Nadvornick, Apr 26, 2007
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  15. Scott Schuckert, Apr 26, 2007
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  16. I looked at this as an absurdity: taking a digital movie, converting
    it to stills, pasting the stills up with the graphics outline of
    movie film, printing out on overhead film, cutting the strips of
    'movie film' out by hand, making the sprocket holes with an exacto
    knife, gluing the 10" strips together, projecting them, and then taking
    a digital movie of the projection screen.
    Surely you jest ...
    That's a relief.

    * * *

    Seeing the movie result I thought: you can scan slides, print the
    files with an ink-jet printer on to transparency media, mount it
    as 35mm slides, project the slides, take digital pictures
    of the screen, and use a film-recorder to make slides again.
    And wouldn't the result be a pointless mess?
    Computer film recorders have been around since before the
    laser was invented. Google "Whirlwind I".

    And electronic image transmission, the fax machine, since
    1843.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Apr 26, 2007
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  17. Nicholas O. Lindan

    Summer Wind Guest

    I spent this morning doing color digital on the street, and this evening
    doing black and white film still lifes at home.
    Dumping my film cameras is unthinkable.

    SW
     
    Summer Wind, Apr 27, 2007
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  18. Nicholas O. Lindan

    Starlord Guest

    Here in Rosamond there are a lot more film cameras in use than the dig's,
    and the two 30min film places do 20 to 40 rolls a day.

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    universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
    Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
    brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
    heavens.


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    Telescope Buyers FAQ
    http://home.inreach.com/starlord
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    Starlord, Apr 27, 2007
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  19. http://www.jemof.com/epfp.html**
    "What is the toughest thing about making a film? Putting in the
    little holes. The sprocket holes are the hardest thing to make.
    Everything else is easy, but all night you have to sit with that
    little puncher and make the holes on the side of the film. You
    could faint from that work. The rest is easy: the script is easy,
    the acting is easy, the directing is a breeze...but the sprockets
    will tear your heart out."
    --- Mel Brooks

    Looks like he was right. The first thing the described process needs
    is a better way to make the perforations! Apart from that, the idea of
    printing film with an inkjet or laser printer seems appealing.
     
    Fredrik Sandström, Apr 27, 2007
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  20. Surely you jest ...
    That's a relief.[/QUOTE]

    I've been in the computer business a LONG time. Before video projectors
    (and PowerPoint for that matter) business presentations were done with
    Kodak Carousels. So much so, it was assumed there would be a projector
    at your destination; you didn't have to bring one.

    When these new-fangled "digital images" became available, the film
    recorder was born; they'd "print" the images onto 35mm Ektachrome. With
    well done subject material, the results were quite impressive, but the
    devices were a bit pricey; I recall them starting at about $6,000 in
    late 80's dollars.
     
    Scott Schuckert, Apr 27, 2007
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