What a worthless effort

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, Mar 9, 2005.

  1. RichA

    Alan Browne Guest

    RichA wrote:

    Perhaps, French manufacturers have always had poor ratings, I'm not sure
    about others.

    But Mercedez-Benz is _supposed_ to be frickin reliable. It's part of
    the deal. Pay the bucks and get the quality. But the C-class issues
    and things like what happened to my friend on a car that is a few years
    old and only driven about 7 monhts per year.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 11, 2005
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  2. RichA

    Skip M Guest

    Merc has had continuing QC problems over the last few years, mostly due to
    the electronic nature of so many of the parts. German cars in general have
    dropped in quality over the same period, being overtaken by some of the
    American brands, like Cadillac, according to various polls.
    Chrysler's electronically controlled transmissions were notorious for
    abrupt, spectacular failures. They were among the first of the type, and as
    us 20D users can attest, being an early adaptor can have its adventures...
    <G>
     
    Skip M, Mar 11, 2005
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  3. RichA

    Skip M Guest

    You may not like it, but Chrysler is selling all of those that they can
    build. Big, bluff bows like an 18th century merchantman seem to strike a
    cord among American car buyers. So you can't really blame DC for following
    that trend with the "Charger." It's the first time in 30 years that they've
    had a success with an automotive design.
     
    Skip M, Mar 11, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Actually, American cars have overtaken European cars for reliability, and
    are at the level that Honda and Toyota were about 5 years ago, problems per
    100 cars. And some of GM's cars rank ahead of Nissan. Poor quality in
    American cars is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, and reports of it
    continuing are mostly anecdotal. Check CR's own data...
     
    Skip M, Mar 11, 2005
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    Frank ess Guest

    Think about the way it was a few years back: German and Japanese cars
    most-respected for build quality and reliability. Now flash back to
    earlier days when "Made In Japan" was synonymous with cheap knock-offs
    and early failure.

    Ebb and flow.
     
    Frank ess, Mar 11, 2005
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  6. RichA

    Skip M Guest

    Yup.
     
    Skip M, Mar 11, 2005
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    Charlie Self Guest

    and
    are at the level that Honda and Toyota were about 5 years ago, problems
    per
    100 cars. And some of GM's cars rank ahead of Nissan. Poor quality in

    American cars is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, and reports of
    it
    continuing are mostly anecdotal. Check CR's own data... <<

    Maybe true, but anecdotal can kick some sales ass. My 2000 Dodge
    Stratus is a POS. It has a whistle at 60 and up. Can't be fixed as it
    is part of the transmission design! For most of its first 4 years, it
    stuttered and missed when the gas tank was filled. Dealer couldn't
    replicate (of course, even though I told the asshole I'd pay for the
    gas, he never did FILL the frigging tank). Moronic sun visor latches,
    pointed the wrong way, so you yank the visor all the way down in front
    of you when you lower it. Ignition goes nuts, jams, won't release key.
    Dealer can't replicate. Driver's door jams so that anyone under 250
    pounds cannot open it. Dealer cannot replicate. Came through with a
    front end so mis-aligned it wore out a set of tires in 20,000 miles.
    Dealer refused replacement of tires after repairing front end under
    warranty--"We don't do tire warrantees".

    This particular dealer hires some really honest hotshots, too. My wife
    left a few bucks toll money (about 20 bucks, which is about normal
    given some of today's road tolls) in the console. It was gone when we
    picked up the car. Obviously, leaving it there was not wise. That said,
    WTF was the mechanic or handler doing with his paws in the console?

    Upshot: DC can stick its vehicles up its ass. I may buy a used Dodge
    pick-up, but I wouldn't stand back and spit on any of the rest of them.
    I'm at the age where I figured I'd buy a Merc to finish out my days.
    Yeah, right. I do NOT plan to die that frigging soon.
     
    Charlie Self, Mar 11, 2005
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    RichA Guest

    The Hyudai Sonata has the lowest defect rate of any
    car, believe it or not at 2 per 100. Mustang is
    best American car at 5. Worst is the Nissan Quest
    at 50.
    -Rich
     
    RichA, Mar 12, 2005
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  9. RichA

    Skip M Guest

    Sounds like a dealer problem, not a car problem. No tranny made has a noise
    like you describe as a part of normal operation. When did the problem
    arise, soon after a visit to your dealer? Sounds like these guys certainly
    wouldn't hesitate to do a little strategic sabotage to get you coming back.
    And I'll bet they hit you for a $50 "diagnostic fee" every time the check
    your car out and don't find something, don't they?
     
    Skip M, Mar 12, 2005
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    Charlie Self Guest

    Skip M responds:a noise
    like you describe as a part of normal operation. When did the problem
    arise, soon after a visit to your dealer? Sounds like these guys
    certainly
    wouldn't hesitate to do a little strategic sabotage to get you coming
    back.
    And I'll bet they hit you for a $50 "diagnostic fee" every time the
    check
    your car out and don't find something, don't they? <<

    Partially a dealer problem, but the tranny noise started the first time
    the car was taken over 60 mph...assumption, there, because I can't hear
    it until it hits 68 or so, but my wife can hear it start. She wasn't
    with me when I first drove the car outside town on a smooth road. The
    dealer explanation was passed on to Chrysler who ignored the pass-on.
    Twice. The noise was covered under warranty. It is still noisy 4-1/2
    years later--and so were three other Dodge Strati(?) that I drove at
    various times. Sort of a high pitched whistle.

    They do not get to check my car out and haven't since the money was
    stolen from the console. There are plenty of independent mechanics
    around here. I just haven't bother with the damned whistle. Use my
    woodworking shop ear plugs. Actually, it has bothered me less over the
    years, because early hearing damage is really starting to kick in now.
     
    Charlie Self, Mar 12, 2005
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