What are advantages of Tablet over mouse?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Albert, Mar 17, 2007.

  1. Albert

    Albert Guest

    What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer
    mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
    Albert
     
    Albert, Mar 17, 2007
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    Dave Guest


    control

    Dave
     
    Dave, Mar 17, 2007
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    Infinitech Guest


    the same difference as if you try to draw with a 10 cm wide piece of
    charcoal against using a stylus: precision.
     
    Infinitech, Mar 17, 2007
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  4. Albert

    Albert Guest

    Thanks.......I'll look at gettin one. Which would be the best value for
    money tablet?
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    Albert, Mar 17, 2007
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    Avery Guest

    When I asked a similar question here ( I think) about 12 months ago,
    there were as many for one as for the other. I think it basically came
    down to what sort of work you were doing. As I was doing mainly photo
    processing with only a little masking and very little drawing, I was
    advised to stay with the mouse. I got a good one and have been quite
    happy with the decision.

    I would still like to try a tablet for a while but as yet I have not
    been convinced to spend the money
     
    Avery, Mar 17, 2007
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    Infinitech Guest


    Depends on your needs and money too!
    I'm happy with an old graphire (A6) which is the cheapest stuff they make,
    it's ok for me as long as I do just photo retouching, but painting needs
    (AMHO) angle control (graphire hasn't) and A6 may be too small for vector
    stuff as Illy or CAD manipulation. But A6 is perfect when you dont have to
    do huge moves to draw, bigger will be painful in the case of small
    touch-ups. the best stuff and most "universal" to me will be an Intuos A5
    (angle control, better resolution, custom control keys, interchangeable pen
    as brushes, airbrush and so on...beautiful too), depends on the budget.
    HTH
     
    Infinitech, Mar 17, 2007
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    Fat Sam Guest

    If you want to try a tablet, but don't want to spend huge bucks, you could
    try the "Trust" models.
    I used one for years, and found it to be a seriously good bit of kit.
    I've upgraded to a Wacom now, because I lost the stylus from my Trust
    tablet, but if I hadn't lost it, I'd probably still be using it.

    The Trust tablets represent excellent quality for a signifigant saving in
    the wallet department, but there's a reason why Wacom is the market leading
    brand name, and why they're a bit more expensive. You gets what you pays
    for.
     
    Fat Sam, Mar 17, 2007
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    Mike Russell Guest

    Try signing your name with the mouse.
     
    Mike Russell, Mar 17, 2007
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    Joe Guest

    Pen has so many advantages over mouse, and it may take 1 to few weeks to
    get the feel of it (or to get the rotten out of one's mind), and probably
    few months to start mastering it.

    - Try to sign your signature or write your name with mouse. This just to
    lets you see some difference between pen vs mouse

    - If you know (10) of 5% is less than 50% then you may see the benefit of
    flashing the pen back/forth many times to get a better result (like using
    paint brush, dodge/burn, erasing, cloning, or masking etc.)

    IOW, if you use use Photoshop to click the Menu, slide the Slider etc.
    then pen may not give you much benefit, but if you use for retouching or
    more like pen/brush then pen is a way to go. And I always suggest to get
    rid of the mouse and learn to use pen 100% on all aps.
     
    Joe, Mar 17, 2007
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  10. Albert

    Talker Guest

    I would suggest that you try a tablet first, before you buy
    one.(if it's possible). The only advantage that I can see for using a
    tablet is that you have pressure control. You get a bigger line,
    stroke, etc. if you push down harder on the tablet....just like you
    would if you used a paint brush.
    Other than that, I prefer a mouse. I have seen the other
    comments about the tablet giving you better control than a mouse, and
    I respectively disagree. Sure, you can sign your name with a tablet,
    but why would you want to? Even so, as I've commented before on this
    topic, you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a
    precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet.
    With a tablet, you have a pen that you hold in your thumb and
    first two fingers. This gives you three resting points on the surface
    of the tablet that you can use for leverage.
    With a mouse, your whole hand covers the mouse and all of your
    fingers touch the desk surface. If you use your other hand to hold
    the front of the mouse, you now have ten fingers resting on the desk
    surface, and that gives you extremely precise movements. Again, you
    need to have a precision mouse. (The Razor Viper comes to mind,
    although any decent laser mouse should be precise enough for most
    work).
    Add to that the fact that you can move the cursor onscreen to
    your work area, pick up the mouse and move it to a more comfortable
    position, and you are always working with the mouse in the most
    comfortable postion for you.
    With a tablet, if you want to work on the very top left corner of
    your monitor, you need to hold the pen in the top left corner of the
    tablet. Having to work in all areas of the tablet may not be the most
    comfortable for you.
    Again, try one first if you can, you might like it.

    Talker
     
    Talker, Mar 18, 2007
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    Albert Guest

    that's what I thought
    Thanks
    Albert
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    Albert, Mar 18, 2007
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    Albert Guest

    Pen has so many advantages over mouse, and it may take 1 to few weeks to
    get the feel of it (or to get the rotten out of one's mind), and probably
    few months to start mastering it.

    - Try to sign your signature or write your name with mouse. This just to
    lets you see some difference between pen vs mouse

    - If you know (10) of 5% is less than 50% then you may see the benefit of
    flashing the pen back/forth many times to get a better result (like using
    paint brush, dodge/burn, erasing, cloning, or masking etc.)

    IOW, if you use use Photoshop to click the Menu, slide the Slider etc.
    then pen may not give you much benefit, but if you use for retouching or
    more like pen/brush then pen is a way to go. And I always suggest to get
    rid of the mouse and learn to use pen 100% on all aps.

    sounds interesting
    thanks
    Albert
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    Albert, Mar 18, 2007
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    Joe Guest

    <snip>

    They don't suggest you to use pen to sign your signature *but* to give an
    example of how pen can do that it's impossible with mouse.
     
    Joe, Mar 18, 2007
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    Hunt Guest

    For me, simple ergonomics. Now, I grew up with a stylus in my hand, from back
    in the old analog days, so I find it far easier to apply pressure, tilt, etc.,
    when using a stylus. Some, who do not do a lot of work with Masks, etc. might
    not miss the stylus as much.

    Evey time that I fire up PS on the laptop without my Wacom, even for just a
    few quick edits, I swear that I'll never do that again.

    Hunt
     
    Hunt, Mar 19, 2007
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    Hunt Guest

    Look into the "refurbished" Wacoms at their site. I've used Wacoms for 15+
    years and would not think of being without one. I've tried a few others, on
    co-worker's machines, and have yet to find one, that felt as good, or worked
    as well, as my Wacoms - even the old ArtZII from the beginning.

    Hunt
     
    Hunt, Mar 19, 2007
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    Hunt Guest

    Now, I use both a stylus and a mouse. For my Win-stuff, I grab the mouse (I've
    yet to fall in love with the Wacom mice on my newer tablets, so use the
    Logitech wireless on the workstation), and for all of my work in APP2,
    EncoreDVD, AAE, etc. For PS & Painter, it's almost 100% stylus. For AI, I go
    back and forth, depending on what I'm doing.

    In years-gone-by, there were problems with a mouse AND a tablet (Serial days),
    but those are long behind us. I feel that the best tool for the job is what I
    want. Tacit, IIRC, is fond of saying, "you can drive a nail with a
    screwdriver, but a hammer is better... ," or similar. You get the point.

    It's just like keyboards. You use what works best for you. I threw away my new
    Logitech wireless keyboard, for one that is about 10 years old. I like the
    weight, the tactile feel of the keys, and their exact size and placement.
    Plus, it's beige, and in a darkened editing booth, a black keyboard, with
    smaller keys, that are not place exactly where my hands fall, is a real
    problem. Who wants to turn the desk lamp on, just to find the danged keys!?!?

    As others have stated, if you can try-out a tablet, do so. Use it for a bit
    and see what you might be missing.

    Hunt
     
    Hunt, Mar 19, 2007
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    Hunt Guest

    And I respectively disagree with the assertion, "you have much greater control
    with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a
    tablet." I have tried it, and it doesn't work for ME. I've used various pucks,
    mice, tablets and about everything, including track-balls. For MY PS work, a
    stylus is the only tool, that I will use. The possible exception is grabbing a
    Handle on a Path. Even then, it's not worth my changing my tool. I also use
    large tablets, so I have very fine control. Now, with my smaller tablets, it's
    not quite as good. However, others love their small tablets, and they work
    well for them.

    Hunt
     
    Hunt, Mar 19, 2007
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    Avery Guest


    You have convinced me Hunt.

    I have to beg, borrow or steal a tablet from somewhere for a couple of
    weeks just to confirm what I am missing out on.
     
    Avery, Mar 19, 2007
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    Joe Guest

    (Hunt) wrote:

    <snip>

    I haven't touched mouse for over a decade now. I started with 12x12 then
    upgraded to 9x12, and finally upgraded to 4x5 Wacom 5-6 years ago.
     
    Joe, Mar 20, 2007
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    Joe Guest

    I don't disagree with you, but that is not for me as I don't use mouse. I
    started with puck, but that is another story which has nothing to do with
    mouse nor pen, or puck is for pick/poke. And I never put down the pen to
    agree with you about changing tool.

    IOW, you have problem with pen because you still can;t get rid of mouse,
    when I don't use mouse or I use pen for everything.
     
    Joe, Mar 20, 2007
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