What are your thoughts on Vista?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by mark_digital©, Dec 16, 2006.

  1. It may seem off topic but considering how much we depend on our computers
    for digital imaging, a review I read says pretty much Microsoft itself will
    become the tenant landlord over our machines.
    I wish I could say if you aren't doing anything wrong then there's nothing
    to worry about. But my gut feeling says otherwise.
    mark_digital©, Dec 16, 2006
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    Cynicor Guest

    Could you be more specific? I work for a small software concern based in
    the Seattle area that just released a new OS....

    I've had Vista on my laptop for a couple of months now, and it's really
    nice how I can just plug in new USB devices and they work.
    Cynicor, Dec 16, 2006
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    AZ Nomad Guest

    Vista is microsoft latest attempt to provide 64 bit support. If if follows
    the trend microsoft has had since dos 2.0, you should expect it to need
    two gig of ram and 6 ghz of processor to be comfortable.

    Nobody expects XP to run in 64G of ram. You shouldn't expect vista to run
    in 512M of ram.
    AZ Nomad, Dec 16, 2006
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    Celcius Guest

    I suppose you're right on this one, but from my perspective, Vista might be
    the first OS that may require in a great many instances, complete revamping
    of the hardware. For example, I work on a computer with a Pentium 4 CPU,
    3.20 GHz, 2 GB of RAM, Windows XP, Service Pack 2, but my understanding is
    that this wouldn't be enough to run Vista properly as well as Photoshop CS2
    on it. What do you say?
    Celcius, Dec 16, 2006
  5. Celcius wrote:
    My test PC with a Pentium III 550MHz processor, 512MB of memory, and
    Voodoo-3 2000 graphics card, loads Vista, although you would prefer a
    faster machine for working in a production environment. Your PC should be
    just fine. I think that, as usual, a lot of FUD has been spread by those
    with no direct experience!

    David J Taylor, Dec 16, 2006
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    Ron P Guest

    I was going to buy a new dual core cpu computer with Vista 64 bit but I am
    now going to put that off indefinitely. At this point, I am not at all
    satisfied that the software that I will want to use will go to 64 bit, my
    experience with IE7 which is supposed to give some insight into Vista was an
    unmitigated failure and I just hated the look and feel of it. I refuse to
    pay to be a "beta tester" for Microsoft and the other software and hardware
    manufacturers. Get the bugs worked out and I might change my mind.

    Going to the Vista site at Microsoft and seeing the advertising, I didn't
    think there was anything there that I would pay a nickel for and most of it
    I wouldn't install if given the choice.
    Ron P, Dec 16, 2006
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    Cynicor Guest

    I'm running it on a Compaq tc4400 at 2GHz and 2GB memory. CS2 works fine
    for me, as does a bunch of other stuff. One of the things that Vista
    does is downrate itself depending on your capabilities. If I had a
    slower graphics card, it would automatically turn off the Aero glass

    If you're running Windows XP, you can check right now with the Upgrade
    Advisor: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeadvisor/.
    It's a small program that runs on your machine and reports a number from
    1.0 to 5.0 to tell you which parts of your machine are "Vista-ready." My
    machine is a 3.0 and it runs everything. The advisor lost a few
    fractions of a point because my drive was a tad slow.
    Cynicor, Dec 16, 2006
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    AZ Nomad Guest

    Wait for the prices to come down. For now, a 3ghz machine is plenty. It will
    be a few years before vista really bloats out (as well its apps) and you need
    more. By then, dual core machines will be cheap.
    AZ Nomad, Dec 16, 2006
  9. Interesting. Parallels Software says Vista will run on a MacBook Pro with 2Gb
    RAM. The thing is, any PC application that you would run on a MacBook would
    probably not be very demanding. Photoshop, Aperture, and most games would
    probably be run under OS X (well, Aperture will not run under anything else).
    Personally, the only thing I would run under Vista would be Jeppesen's flight
    planning software. Nothing else requires a PC. And even there, it might be
    just cheaper and easier to switch to some web-based software like AirNav. If
    I was still preparing corporate tax returns I probably would use a web-based
    application there, too.

    In fact, the Wall Street Journal has been reporting that a lot of systems
    managers are switching everybody over to Google office applications instead
    of upgrading to Office 2007. Those run on Macs, too.
    Christopher Campbell, Dec 16, 2006
  10. I wouldn't know; I use a Mac. :)

    Seriously, Microsoft's grip is tenuous, at best -- a point that Microsoft
    itself makes frequently in anti-trust court. The trend has been more toward
    web-based applications. And although Explorer is still the top browser at
    home, more and more people are switching to competitors like Firefox.
    Christopher Campbell, Dec 16, 2006
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    Cynicor Guest

    Is there a particular reason to trust Google with corporate data?
    Cynicor, Dec 16, 2006
  12. mark_digital©

    J. Clarke Guest

    Grip on what, the market? If that's what you mean then you and the market
    appear to be experiencing a failure to communicate. If that's not what
    you meant then what _did_ you mean?
    J. Clarke, Dec 16, 2006
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    Bill Guest


    No speakie drunken gibberish.
    I'd say you're probably mistaken. I had RC2 installed on a P4 2GHz
    with 1gig of RAM and it ran just fine. The video card was also fully
    Aero compatible. On this dual-core monster, it rips along nicely.

    Vista 32-bit doesn't need a lot really. It needs at least 768megs of
    RAM to run smoothly (1gig is better), and a decent 3D video card to
    off-load the desktop management, and then almost any processor will
    work with it.

    Vista 64-bit (x64) needs only a 64-bit processor and at least 1gig of
    RAM to run (1.5gig or more to really fly), and a decent video card

    This means you might need to upgrade some hardware if you want Vista,
    but that's to be expected since it requires more power to run. Just
    like XP needs more processor power and RAM compared to Win98, and
    Win98 needed more than Win3.1, etc.

    In your specific case, if you feel you need 2gigs of RAM to run CS2
    smoothly with XP, then I would suggest adding another gig of RAM to
    let CS2 open large photos without paging in Vista. You shouldn't need
    anything other than some more memory. Don't go to 4gigs though as
    you'll be wasting your money since 3gigs is the top end for 32-bit
    Bill, Dec 16, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    If Google Office is sufficient to their needs then they should be fired
    for wasting the company's money by upgrading to Office '97.
    J. Clarke, Dec 16, 2006
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    Bill Guest

    You do realize that 64-bit Vista will run almost all 32-bit apps just
    fine? I'm running it right now on this 64-bit dual-core machine and it
    just flies along, much better than XP. It supported all of my hardware
    "out of the box", including my printer and scanner.

    So far all of my software runs just fine with the exception of games,
    and that's because I'm waiting for nVidia to release final drivers for
    my video card in the next month. For now, the Vista driver works just
    fine for everything else.
    I didn't like it at first, but only because it means you have to make
    a change to how you do things. Now I'm so used to it, I find IE6 in XP
    Bill, Dec 16, 2006
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    Neil Ellwood Guest

    Mandriva 2007 would revel in it as would many more linux distros.
    Neil Ellwood, Dec 16, 2006
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    Cynicor Guest

    Yeah, but he wants to run Photoshop, not prove someone else's point for
    Cynicor, Dec 16, 2006
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    ASAAR Guest

    It's interesting that virtually everyone seems to think that your
    concern about Vista becoming a "tenant landlord" has to do with
    software bloat and the need for more hardware. Maybe you should
    hire the PR team that did so much to make WMD a household "word".
    ASAAR, Dec 16, 2006
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    ray Guest

    Since you ask - for me it is pretty much irrelevant since I completely
    gave up on MS about four years ago and have gone totally with Linux - a
    decision I have not regretted since. I basically cannot understand how
    folks are willing to put up with the attitude and s**t coming from MS. I
    do panoramic photography and have recently started doing RAW image
    processing (using UFraw, Bibble and LightZone) all on the Linux platforms.
    I have also saved several hundred dollars over the past few years by not
    buying MS Office - I find that OpenOffice is a superior product anyway.

    You are correct, at least as I understand the situation. When you purchase
    an MS computer you don't even own the sofware - you are just renting it.
    Not an arrangement I'm willing to put up with.

    I also find that Linux is, at least in certain situations, more convenient
    than MS - no more worry about malware, hardly any 'drivers' to install -
    case in point, cameras and printers work by merely plugging them in - no
    driver install, no reboot, etc.

    If you're interested, you can even take Linux for a test drive with no
    money output and not even an install. Simply boot one of the many Live CDs
    - it will boot and run from the CD without even touching your hard drive.
    I believe that MS lacks such a 'try before you buy' feature.
    ray, Dec 16, 2006
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    ray Guest

    Amen. I find that they work quite well for me on Linux.
    ray, Dec 16, 2006
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