What info is required when dealing with a photographer?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by John, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. John

    John Guest

    If I was going to enlist a photographer to do some (glamour or otherwise)
    portraits of my girlfriend, what sorts of things need to be specified?

    For example, we have some simple 'snapshots' that we've done already to
    give a 'taste' of the sort of thing we would like but what...
    'instruction'(?)... do we need to give the photographer? Is it crass or
    too simplistic to give him our snapshots and say, "Here's the sort of poses
    we'd like... and we want to highlight her hair.. her eyes.. and her smile.
    Do your magic!" :)) ...or is it a matter of letting the photographer do his
    thing..?

    I'm not sure what the process is for this as I've never arranged anything
    like it before... but it's something we both want to do, for ourselves and
    for her parents.

    Many thanks for any forthcoming suggestions.


    John
     
    John, Feb 19, 2007
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    Scott W Guest

    Make sure you have a clear understanding of who will hold the
    copyrights to the photos once they are taken. Many photographers will
    retain the copyrights and charge you for any prints made, in this day
    and age I would only work with a photographer who is willing to sign
    the copyrights over to you and give you the images files or
    negatives. You might still want to use the photographer to make some
    prints, but you also will want to reserve the right to make more
    prints later without going back to the photographer.

    Make sure you have it in writing that you will own the copyrights of
    any photos taken.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Feb 19, 2007
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  3. As a former longtime professional photographer, I would never give away
    copyrights, nor would anyone I know in the business. People who do that
    are called amateurs.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Feb 19, 2007
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    Cats Guest

    Ask to see samples of their work. Don't use them unless you like it.
    Personally I'd be embarassed to show my photos to a professional and
    wouldn't do so, but maybe you have more neck than I do.

    Also ask what their prices are, and check on the copyright and reprint
    options. However, I agree with the poster that said that a
    professional photographer will retain the copyright.

    And check around several photographers - you wouldn't be asking this
    question if there wasn't a choice where you live!
     
    Cats, Feb 19, 2007
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    dadiOH Guest

    You just upped the photographer's fee for services by many, many
    times.

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    AustinMN Guest

    I consider myself an amature, and I agree, I would not give away my
    copyrights. Some of them may be purchased (such as in this scenario),
    but that becomes part of the pricing. It's OK to ask, but a
    photographer worth paying at all will not just give the copyrights to
    you.

    Austin
     
    AustinMN, Feb 19, 2007
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    AustinMN Guest

    I think giving him/her a target (i.e. describing poses or showing
    snapshots) is not a bad idea, but also alow him to do his own thing.

    The photographer may see things that you consider "ordinary" or
    "plain" and make them really stunning. He/she should give you what
    you ask for, but leave them room to give you *more*. When I have been
    on the subject side of the lens, I have always had a few suggestions,
    but mostly let the photographer "do their thing." Sometimes, my ideas
    work the best, sometimes they fall flat in comparison.

    Another thing - if you are going to be present during the shoot, sit
    down and shut up. Nothing will stop the creative juices like a
    boyfriend trying to make "improvements".

    Austin
     
    AustinMN, Feb 19, 2007
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    Gerald Place Guest

    You sound a bit intimidated by professional photographers! We don't bite and
    welcome guidance. By all means show hinm the snapshots. Also useful are
    clips from magazines of the sort of thing you'd like, or even what you don't
    want. Make sure you have seen what he usually does so that his basic style
    suits and that you like him. A good photographer will guide her through the
    poses which look good and flatter her and should make the experience
    enjoyable. If you want atmoshre do consider black and white: it always looks
    classy!

    Good luck,

    Gerald Place
    www.fotoplace.co.uk
     
    Gerald Place, Feb 19, 2007
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  9. John,

    The above is some very good advice. Someone suggested not
    showing your crummy snapshots to a real live professional
    photographer. That's BS. Who cares what he thinks of them!

    But pay special attention to what Gerald says about "what he
    usually does so that his basic style suits"!

    Probably before showing him *your* stuff, look at his stuff. If
    *none* of it suits your perception of what you want, just be
    polite and walk away as soon as possible. When you find someone
    who normally does shoot the style you are thinking of, then haul
    out your stuff and have an in depth discussion of style.

    The photographer can get a better idea of what you want by both
    looking at what you have and talking about his examples. He can
    then show you more examples and get a clear idea of what you
    find acceptable.
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Feb 19, 2007
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    vasicrj Guest

    Let him know how you intend to use the phtographs; you are getting
    professional photographs for a reason, don't keep the reason a secret
    from the person who can help you achieve your goals.
     
    vasicrj, Feb 19, 2007
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    Colin_D Guest

    In this country at least, copyright is owned by the person who
    commissions the photographs. The negatives are usually held to be the
    property of the photog, but he does not have the copyright. He cannot,
    for instance print your images and sell them elsewhere, or even display
    them without your permission.

    Public perception is that the photog has the negs, so he owns the
    copyright, but that isn't necessarily true.

    Of course, many contracts specify that the copyright is with the photog,
    and if the client signs it, then that's that. But if it's not in the
    contract, then the commissioner owns it. But, it's as well to spell it
    out first rather than argue later.

    Colin D.
     
    Colin_D, Feb 20, 2007
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    Gary Stewart Guest

    John,

    It's all relative. Some photographer like input, some feel they are so
    awesome that you couldn't possibly have a good idea (I fall into the first
    catagory).
    First things first:
    1.) Look at their work (Do you like their style?)
    2.) Do they have a studio to shoot privately
    3.) Will they come to your home to shoot
    4.) How much will it cost?
    5.) What's included? (Just the shoot? A CD, prints, what sizes, what costs
    extra, etc.)

    Depending on where you are, I do this kind of work.

    Gary
     
    Gary Stewart, Feb 20, 2007
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    John Guest

    Still working-out what we want, I guess... but many thanks for the helpful
    suggestions, everyone.


    John
     
    John, Feb 20, 2007
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    dadiOH Guest

    Incorrect. Unless the it was "work for hire".
    If you live in the US he does...the exception being "work for hire"
    which is very rare in the situation under discussion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_for_hire


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    dadiOH, Feb 20, 2007
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