What is a good entry level analog capture card?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Tim S, Aug 23, 2005.

  1. Tim S

    Tim S Guest

    for a friend - wants to convert his VHS to DVD. Not even sure which
    software to recommend. I was thinking Adobe Premiere Elements or
    Pinnacle Studio. His computer also support USB 2.0. I think a PCI
    capture card will get the job done reasonable.
     
    Tim S, Aug 23, 2005
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    Mark Burns Guest

    Mark Burns, Aug 23, 2005
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  3. Richard Crowley, Aug 24, 2005
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  4. Tim S

    Ken Maltby Guest

    Sorry, Dick; but HD has already put a crimp in that old
    attitude. And "Smart" Rendering/Encoding puts it further
    in the past. You'll be editing MPEG soon, or be left
    totally behind.
    You do realize that functionally a DVD recorder is just
    a box with a hardware capture card, and a DVD-/+RW
    or DVD-RAM drive, operating on some limited firmware.
    Some have added a harddrive to the mix, but are still
    very limited compared to what the same components
    can do in a PC.

    To the OP; because the DVD recorder is an easy to
    operate capture device, as easy as a VCR, it may be
    that you could find it beneficial to use one to make
    DVD+/-RW disks and bring those to your PC to use
    the PC's more versatile editing and authoring ability.
    The PC capture allows a better control over the
    parameters of the MPEG being created, but the DVD
    recorder may do well enough for most uses.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Aug 24, 2005
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  5. Tim S

    Jona Vark Guest

    Ken.. not your usual attitude..

    MPEG is a transient format. We may be editing in MPEG soon but It totally
    sucks as anything but a delivery format. It seems to me the introduction of
    HDV and so much MPEG is more clutter. I recently did a show in HDV and while
    I was initially impressed with it I am not anymore. Especially the audio. It
    is a giant step backwards. IMHOP.
     
    Jona Vark, Aug 24, 2005
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  6. Tim S

    Ken Maltby Guest

    I can agree with most of that, for some and as a reflection of the
    current situation. But, at the level of editing that most people interested
    in "rec.video.desktop" would be doing, MPEG is no longer the uneditable
    format it once was. The idea of it doesn't deserve a "yuck" anymore.
    As the industry gets into it, HDV is bound to improve and will force
    additional improvements in compression/encoding technology.

    It may be more accurate to say MPEG is in transition. There is
    certainly big differences between MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4.
    and the current HD versions. (DivX HD and WMV HD).

    As this progress unfolds there will be further adaptations by those
    providing editing tools. We already see plug-ins being added to a
    number of the traditional editing packages. It is only very recently
    that those working on such tools have themselves started to put the
    MPEG Editing "yuck" dogma aside work on the issue.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Aug 24, 2005
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  7. Ken, maybe you should check the specs of those packages. Most work by
    transcoding the MPEG material to an intermediate-codec. Thereby skipping
    the problem the delay trying to find an image in a GOP, and to prevent
    multiple re-compressing of frames, when cutting in GOPs.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Aug 24, 2005
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  8. Tim S

    Jona Vark Guest

    I kinda see it the other way around. If manufacturers develop MPEG data
    systems for video then developers have little choice but to implement them
    somehow. it ain't pretty.

    That's true.

    I still feel it is a nasty format to work and edit in. I feel they should
    have gone the other way with it and stuck with frame based compression and
    higher data rates. I would gladly buy new gear to accomodate that but after
    doing some HDV work , dealing with Cineform and the like.. I'll wait.

    You're probably correct about the market though. It will certainly be
    swamped with MPEG editing for the forseeable future. It is a little hard to
    see into that future cause of the blockiness of the compression.. :)
     
    Jona Vark, Aug 24, 2005
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  9. Tim S

    Ken Maltby Guest

    Yes & No, most traditional "non-destructive" editors do that, and
    most of the newer "Smart Encoding" editors do that for the preview
    and to apply effects. When it comes time to write the final output
    however, only the effected GOP(s) are transcoded ( using data
    derived during the rendering of those GOP) the rest are simply
    copied.

    Of course if you were to apply an image altering effect to the
    whole video, then all the GOP would need to be altered and the
    whole thing would be transcoded. Fortunately, most edits are
    applied to only a very small percentage of the GOP in a clip.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Aug 24, 2005
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  10. The main thing is to chose a native MPEG-editor with the best
    quality-codecs, or else the mage will be ripped even further. Is there a
    test available somewhere, testing the quality of the encoders of these
    native-editors?

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Aug 24, 2005
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  11. Tim S

    David Chien Guest

    Any WinTV or ATI all-in-wonder card will do. Used ones on ebay for <$50
    will do fine. Add VirtualDub for the video capture, and you'll be doing
    D1 resolution 720x480 30fps/29.97fps captures to the HD at any time w/o
    any problems.

    You can easily take any video stream and drop it into the PC this way,
    dirt-cheap, and reliably all the time.

    Use Huffyuv or PicVideo MJPEG video codec if you want higher capture
    quality; otherwise, any ol' DV AVI video codec will do fine.

    www.videohelp.com for more help on codecs, etc. in the forums.
    www.virtualdub.org for more help on VDub.
     
    David Chien, Aug 25, 2005
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  12. Tim S

    xmradio Guest

    I prefer the hauppauge wintv-pvr 150, because of the 3comb filter...

    xman
     
    xmradio, Aug 26, 2005
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