What is the best way to quickly produce a DVD for a church service?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Nathan, Jan 22, 2008.

  1. Nathan

    Nathan Guest

    What is the best way to quickly produce a DVD for a church service?

    Right now what the procedure is...
    1. Record the church service to the hard drive on the computer.
    2. Burn a Master DVD - (1 hour)
    3. Burn High Speed some copies of the master.

    How can I reduce the 2nd step or remove it. I would also like to make
    our church services dvd's Menu's look professional. Is there a way to
    make the Menu, Cover of the DVD, and Case look nice without spending
    to much since this is a church. When I get the sales to cover the
    current equipment then I can start spending more to make it even

    What are your suggestions?

    Nathan, Jan 22, 2008
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    blackburst Guest

    If you need to get the menus/covers looking pro, or need any graphics,
    you have to accept that you need to edit in a nonlinear editor, and
    that always takes time.

    One suggestion for minimizing step 2: Get a combo HDD/DVD recorder
    (with 160g hard drive). You record the service direct to the HD in
    real time. You make your master onto DVD in about 5 minutes (provided
    the service does not exceed 60 minutes.) These are becoming hard to
    find, but Philips still makes one.

    Then copy your master disc in one of those 3-, 5-, 7-, 9-, 11-disc
    blackburst, Jan 22, 2008
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  3. Why does it take 1 hour to burn a master DVD?
    Should take only a few (5-10?) minutes.

    Of course, you could do "live to tape" (or "live to DVD")
    and record directly to a DVD recorder. Then you would
    have a master DVD within minutes of the end of the program.
    You didn't mention WHY you were recording to the computer
    at all. We are assuming it is because you are doing some kind
    of post-production (titles? supers?, credits?) With appropriate
    equipment, these could all be done in real-time while recording
    "live to disc". And of course many churches and other events
    are "broadcasting" live to cable, so they are producing in real-
    time whether they are making DVD masters or not.

    You could, of course, make pre-printed (full color) covers for
    the cases, and just run them through a simple black & white
    copier to add the date, sermon title, whatever. Likewise you
    can get pre-printed (full color, etc.) DVDR blanks and just
    add the date in the space left for it. If the content is just the
    worship service, why do you need a menu at all?
    Richard Crowley, Jan 22, 2008
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    Bill Guest

    You sell your church services?
    Bill, Jan 22, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    Do you mean to ask "a DVD OF a church service"?
    something is amiss here: check the firmware AND the drivers for the
    DVD burner, or get a better one.

    You should be able to burn a DVD-R at 12x
    (5 minutes burn per hour of show)

    Use NERO (any version)
    Use NERO (any version)
    This costs: you must write directly upon the DVD.

    NEVER ever use
    sticky paper to cover a DVD - it was ok on a CD but DVD may spin
    faster, lots faster and tiny off center placement can cause big problems
    with readers.
    Are these DVD's for shutins? for public access stations?

    I make a DVD of my church service for both of the above reasons. Write.
    Rick Merrill, Jan 22, 2008
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    nappy Guest

    Ask God to do it. That's the quickest I think..
    nappy, Jan 22, 2008
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    ushere Guest

    he's probably too busy working on a sequel in another galaxy....
    ushere, Jan 22, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    I did! Y'a know what? He asked me to do it!
    Rick Merrill, Jan 22, 2008
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    Tom Couch Guest

    If you need large number of copies, consider hiring a DVD replication company to press the disc for you. Companies such as New Cyberian, Discmakers can do the disc replication pretty efficiently and very economically.

    Tom Couch, Jan 23, 2008
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    info Guest

    You can add a real professional look using looping animations from
    and not break the bank..
    info, Jan 23, 2008
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    nappy Guest

    Go figure.. He works in mysterious ways.. Kind of a couch patato though if
    he won't even do a DVD for ya..
    nappy, Jan 23, 2008
  12. Panasonic makes a combo HD and DVD recorder that works like a VHS
    recorder. Record the service live into this for up to two hours total
    for good quality (you can go a 4 hour or six hour mode too but they
    look horrible). This master is done as soon as you fade to black at
    the end of the service. The Panasonic limits you to using a choice of
    about 6 menu styles and colors and you can type in titles and dates,
    etc. for chapters if you like, but you can't do any fancy motion
    menus, you get a tiny picture still and one line of text for each
    chapter. I think they look okay but others can't stand them and
    insiste on a splashy custom menu page. For that you are going to have
    to author the disk in the computers and that DOES take more time.

    Finalizing the disk from the Panasonic with 2 hours on it takes only
    two minutes or so. You now have a master to thro into a replicating
    tower which can crank out copies in about seven minutes for a two hour

    You can also use a free ripping application called mpeg streamclip to
    import the finished disk into your NLE system faster than real time
    and from there you can proceed to aurhor and add chapters, a better
    custom menu, etc, etc. with the Panasonic working as a hardware
    encoder for you. This is a *little* faster than digitizing from
    scratch thru the camera and editing before authoring.

    You can use a separate stand-alone printer or use an all-in-one
    machine like the Bravo Primera Pro (I endorse this machine highly)
    that can do up to 100 disks, two at a time, fully automated including
    inkjet printing in 4 colors on the disk and quality control testing of
    the disks. This is a very nice starter unit but it has to be connected
    to at least a laptop to control it and feed it the graohics for the
    labels. Microboards makes 10-drive towers which require no other
    computers or anything, that can really kick out product in a hurry.
    nobody special, Jan 23, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    What excellent advice! I hope "Nathan" returns to see it.
    Rick Merrill, Jan 23, 2008
  14. Agreed. Clever solution.

    Martin Heffels, Jan 23, 2008
  15. Thanks, we use this setup daily and productivity is super.
    nobody special, Jan 24, 2008
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    Jim Guest

    That is a nice solution.

    If fancier menus are needed you can use a computer with an mpeg2 capture
    card like a wintv 150.
    Record to a dvd compliant mpeg in real time onto your hard drive.

    Then drop the mpeg file into DVD LabPro or others, create a menu, and have
    the program mux the vob files.
    This should only take a couple minutes since the mpeg2 is ready to go.
    burn the vob folder to disk and use that in your duplicator.
    Jim, Jan 24, 2008
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    Bill Cotton Guest

    I have read all of the suggestion in the thread and learned a lots.
    I have recorded our church services for the shut-in for more than a year,
    learning as I go. I want to one day use two or more camcorder and a mixer
    and deliver the disk a few minutes after services. The ideas in this thread
    will be helpfully.
    I now use a Sony DCR SR80 Hard Drive camcorder. It had a direct to DVD burn
    button on the Handycam station. However, our services are usually more that
    two hours and this method requires two DVD blanks. I use Window Moviemaker
    in Vista to encode from the camcorder to DVD and compress various clips to
    our WebPages. Window Moviemaker let me put title at the beginning and
    credits at the end, which Choir singing and ect. It allow up to 150 minutes
    of clips. Also it allows cutting and editing, With a Pentium 4 it takes 6
    hours to encode, a Core 2 processor it takes 3 hours.
    I have three computers so I use all to make copies with Nero software that
    comes with the drives. I tried Sharpie and litescribe for labeling the DVD,
    now I use the stick on labels, I found a source on the web
    www.onlinelabel.com for about three cents each. I do take care to center the
    label using the guide rings on the disk.
    Bill Cotton, Jan 25, 2008
  18. Stick-on labels on DVD's will only end in tears. They unbalance the
    disk and make it wobble, causeing noise, wear, and misreads, then
    inevitably come loose and jam the unit or destroy it while spinning.
    And they will blame YOU, quite rightly.

    For a better yet cheap solution, check out a small thermal labeler at
    the office supply store, either Brother, Casio, or Dymo makes it, I
    believe. Small little unit, you slide the CD or DVD thru a slot like
    you do with a credit card, and the printer melts a thermal ink label
    onto t he disk, dry and ready the instant it comes out the other side.
    Limited to text, but faster and miles ahead of using a Sharpie or
    stick-on labels. Not too expensive as I recall.
    nobody special, Jan 25, 2008
  19. "nobody special" wrote ...
    Absolutely. Stick-on labels are to be avoided on DVD discs.
    They are also not a very good soluton on CDR discs, either,
    but for a different reason. The CDs don't turn at anywhere near
    the RPMs of DVDs, but CDs have only a very thin (and vulnerable)
    layer between the top ("label") side and the dye and reflective
    layers are. Any kind of warping, bubbling, hardening, etc. of
    the label and/or adhesive will quite possibly affect the data layer.
    I have one of the Casio models and it works OK on mirror-finish
    surfaces, but is unacceptable on most inkjet-printable surfaces.

    You could, however, get pre-printed (silk-screened) discs on shiny
    surface stock with a blank spot for the date and title (etc.) Seems
    like quite a good compromise between having a nice-looking product,
    and something that is customizable (date and title) and quick and
    easy to produce copies of.
    Richard Crowley, Jan 25, 2008
  20. Since your camcorder produces MPEG-2 files natively,
    not clear why it takes you hours and hours to re-code
    this to write back to DVD discs? Your workflow needs
    to be re-examined for efficiency.
    I suspect that if you analyzed the situation rationally, you would
    conclude that you likely don't need more than 120 minutes to
    record all the salient features of a worship service that would
    be of benefit to people who weren't in attendance. Remember
    that most services produced for TV or radio fit into ~58 minutes
    (or even ~28 minutes).
    Which could be done in real-time with a relatively inexpensive
    titling generator. That would allow you to record "live-to-disc"
    and have a "master DVD" within 5 minutes of the end of the
    You seriously need to look at alternatives for encoding.
    6 (or even 3) hours is completely unacceptable. You are
    getting nothing in return for your extraordinary patience.
    There are pretty inexpensive "towers" that are available
    to produce several times more copies than your three
    computers can, and likely cost way less, as well. There
    are also "automated" systems that take a stack of blank
    DVD discs and write the data AND print the labels
    Stick-on labels are a horrible idea for DVD discs (and for
    CDs, also). See the other responses for details.

    I've never understood the fascination with "Lightscribe"?
    Why would anyone want to use a system that produces
    a *monochrome* image that takes several times longer
    to print than it took to write the data on the other side?
    And requires more expensive (and limited selection)
    media, as well.
    Richard Crowley, Jan 25, 2008
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