What makes a mac better?

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Dudley Hanks, Aug 26, 2012.

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    Alan Browne Guest

    It just resurrected a dead thread - no point in replying to it.
    Alan Browne, Nov 2, 2012
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    David Taylor Guest

    "What makes a mac better?"

    - having the ability to run Windows, of course!
    David Taylor, Nov 3, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    it's optimized for the common use case.
    Guest, Nov 5, 2012
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    Whisky-dave Guest

    And choosing not to for sanity reasons ;-)
    Whisky-dave, Nov 5, 2012
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    David Taylor Guest

    To be honest, I think I've had more furstrations with the quirks of the
    iPad than I have had with Windows, but I would consider myself more
    familiar with Windows. I find it amusing that, to delete directories of
    photos on my iPad (what they call "albums"), I have to connect it to a
    PC (Windows or Mac). Otherwise I have to tap each photo individually to
    select it before deletion. There's no multi-file selection.

    Yes, Apple's forced way of working does drive you insane!
    David Taylor, Nov 5, 2012
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    Whisky-dave Guest

    I've found a few frustrations with the ipad but far more with windows and it';s always the silly things.

    Can anyone tell me why, when clicking on my document folder (W7) with the option to view arranged by date modified does it still list the files in alphbetical order :-0.
    When I click on by name the top 20+ files a are all titles _primary.dat areall 1kB in size and all from 2007.
    But I'll ignore it.

    the ideal person to answer the above then :)
    Well most people keep their pictures/photos in albums, have done since the beginngin of photography I'm not sure it's any advantage to refer to them as directories or folders even.
    That is somewhat an ommision I guess but I haven't found a use for such an option and can;t think why I might need one.
    Why would I copy 1000s of pictures to a ipad only to delete them without viewing them, I'd have to tap to view so tapping to delete isn;t much more effort, in fact it's a littel eaisr than on a computer. I can view the picture and if I don;t want it I tap on the trash can at the top, that's easier than dragging or right clicking.

    maybe I'm missing the point, or deleted it ;-) but why would anyone want tomanually delete 1000s pictures from their ipad, why not just NOT load themon to it in the first place ?
    I took about 15 photos last night using the ipad then reviewed them by tapping and taping again to delete the 12 or so I didn't want.
    That's true , but if you try the Apple way most things seem to work better and more logically.
    Whisky-dave, Nov 5, 2012
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    David Taylor Guest

    On 05/11/2012 16:11, Whisky-dave wrote:

    Why? Because you have used your iPad during a trip away from a computer
    to view the pictures from your own camera, and provide a backup. It's
    not just for photos taken on the iPad. You might even want to look at
    pictures from someone else or perhaps to demonstrate how good the iPad
    display is using their images. Many reasons.

    We are agreed that the inability to delete all images in an album at
    once is an omission on Apple's part. I'm disappointed that it hasn't
    been rectified in iOS updates.
    David Taylor, Nov 5, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    When I click on by name the top 20+ files a are all titles _primary.dat are
    all 1kB in size and all from 2007.
    But I'll ignore it.
    No need to ignore it. You're on Windows, not iPad.
    You can manage and organize your files. Just "lasso"
    all those _ files, then right-click -> Delete. :)

    Another nice thing about Windows is that since it's
    used by almost everyone, you can usually go online
    and find solutions:


    It turns out that the problem you're having is probably
    related to poor quality software that you installed. To
    avoid the risks associated with being able to choose what
    software you install, you might want to switch to an iPad. :)
    Mayayana, Nov 5, 2012

  9. But it looks cool, David. For some people that is all that matters.
    Anthony Polson, Nov 5, 2012
  10. 1) look up "begging the question"!
    2) The question is why you don't understand what I am saying.
    Either my command of English is terrible or yours is.
    3) You sidetracked the whole discussion with your example of how
    one can deliberately choose a file format singularily unsuited
    to archival and then harping about that as if that was the
    average or usual case.
    1) look up "begging the question"!
    2) The question is why you don't understand what I am saying.
    Either my command of English is terrible or yours is.
    3) You sidetracked the whole discussion with your example of how
    one can deliberately choose a file format singularily unsuited
    to archival and then harping about that as if that was the
    average or usual case.

    Yep. I see one. You're being as obstinate as a mule just
    for the love of being contrary *and* you're wrong.

    Your command of the English language is really fourth-rate, you
    cannot distinguish between a non-personal "some" and a personal

    But if the cap fits, wear it.

    Merits? What merits?
    3) You sidetracked the whole discussion with your example of how
    one can deliberately choose a file format singularily unsuited
    to archival and then harping about that as if that was the
    average or usual case.

    1) look up "begging the question"!
    2) The question is why you don't understand what I am saying.
    Either my command of English is terrible or yours is.
    3) You sidetracked the whole discussion with your example of how
    one can deliberately choose a file format singularily unsuited
    to archival and then harping about that as if that was the
    average or usual case.

    Ah! An ad hominem to misdirect us from the fact that Haw-Haw
    cannot even handle not even running, but simply correctly
    using a webserver.

    My email address is replyable and gets read. I've been using it
    since 2003-01-25 (that's "just shy of 10 years" to you). Which is
    perfectly easy to find out. What more do you want, Lord Haw-Haw?
    (And yes, that *is* a personal insult. You deseve it.)

    So, do you sort "irony" next to "coppery" and "silvery"?

    Yep, you're posting from google.com. That makes you ...
    Larry Page or
    Sergey Brin or
    one of the 53,564 Google employees or
    one of the many, many, many people who own Google stock.

    But is "DNS Admin" really your name?

    And can't you use a proper usenet reader on your own computer?
    You'd at least not produce overly long lines ...

    As to your name "-hh" --- if that is your real name, you really
    need to sue your parents. But you're not even inventive enough
    to find a believable false name. Nor do you have the cojones to
    use your real name. And the domain in the "From"? That one is
    likely from someone else.

    I read on and simply see you not having answers, except
    for insults to my intelligence.
    So you admit you lied (i.e. provided deliberately false
    facts) when you posted that broken URL of yours.

    Thank you! Liar!

    So you are still unable to handle a simple web server ...

    Nope. I copy&pasted from
    Message-ID: <>
    (Look it up, google can do that for you.)

    The mistype (you called it a lie) is yours.

    Still no suffix.
    OK, OK, there *are* suffixes. Like "iner", "pertrainer" and
    I assume you didn't mean those.

    The irony is that *I* copy&pasted ... from *your* post.

    The record states:
    | >> It's extremely unlikely that all JPEG decoders along with the
    | >> information how JPEG works will be lost in this century barring
    | >> a global catastrophy.  It's unlikely that that knowledge will
    | >> be lost in a span of time when chemical film and prints will
    | >> already have lost their usefulness.  A recoding to whatever is the
    | >> then-common format can be done fully automatic by the computer ---
    | >> quite unlike translating hieroglyphs.

    | > And fifteen years ago, we would have made similar claims about how
    | > unlikely it would be for floppy disk technology to vaporize.

    Even *if* you are typing through Google Translate, you should
    get that.

    Simple question: Who changed the topic from JPEG to floppies?

    Simple question: Who got handed his head because he didn't bother
    to look up what was 15 years ago, but was all blustery and

    Film under "benign neglect" survives on the average as long as
    photos on a not backupped computer. Before you answer, look up
    the word "average" and remember the user copies his files to his
    new computer every couple years.
    On the other hand, heroic and expensive measures are needed
    to save film. For one example how much heroic work is needed
    to create a incomplete result --- and that from a work that
    was distributed and more or less archived worldwide (quite the
    opposite of benign neglegt) --- see Metropolis.

    As to "value": See Metropolis. See very many of the early
    film works. Studios were *burning* the prints, believing them
    *worthless* once they'd phased out of the cinema. Had they only
    been copyable and storeable as easy as hard drives today ...

    Ah ... no.
    Physical media can be duplicated and parts from one copy spliced
    with parts from another copy. Works with digital just as well as
    with analog --- in fact, it works better with digital if there's
    any overlap.

    As to "formats", they can be just as problematic with analog.

    Your message is as valid as the claims of those who say that
    an asteroid strike will wipe us all out in the next 10 years.
    We cannot prove this will not happen, but simple statistics
    shows that the event as painted is rather unlikely.

    Maybe it is lame not to fall for your idiotic 'examples'.
    I did try to *download* them. I did a "strings" on them. I used
    "wget -S" to see the headers. That's all.
    If that's "trying" ... well, then blindly hammering
    with both feet on a keyboard is "writing a work of world

    I see. You agree that I was completely right. Your reported "NASA"
    story is complete bullshit, thus you reneged on it. Your
    hieroglyphs were shot down in flames, so you gave them up.

    You didn't manage to deliver the specifications for your
    ADPA.snipertrainer-file, thus proving you knew it wasn't an
    archivable format like, say JPEG, as I specified: widely used,
    open, documented. Shot down in flames, again.
    Ah, the ad hominem to misdirect again.

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Nov 5, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    "Begs the question" or "Begging the question" is not what it might seem
    to be to those unfamiliar to the term when used in logic.

    "Begs the question" is the conclusion, or result of a circular argument
    and is an indication that further debate is pointless. To "Beg the
    question" presupposes the conclusion of an argument to complete the
    ....and most importantly, it is usually not stated.

    "Begs the question" should not be used when what is meant and intended
    is to say, "Raises the following question", or "leads us to ask and
    consider the following question".

    So, for simplicity's sake, "Begs the question" is not the same as
    "Raises the question".
    Savageduck, Nov 6, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    it's not something that a lot of people miss not being there.
    Guest, Nov 6, 2012
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    -hh Guest

    Thanks, but unfortunately, nothing's capable of satisfying Wolfgang's
    bruised pride. Even giving him the last word would not suffice...he
    will just simply find some other alternative outlet.

    ....after that distraction, its then back to the grind of a batch of
    19th century tin photo originals.

    -hh, Nov 6, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    It's a phrase often discussed in English usage groups. You are right.
    The phrase is misused more than it is correctly used.

    I don't ever use the phrase because most people think it means
    something it doesn't mean, and therefore would misinterpret my

    In defense of those who misuse the phrase, a logical parsing would
    lead one to think it means "It begs (me to ask) the question". Those
    of us who are interested in usage points know, though, that English is
    not always logical.
    tony cooper, Nov 6, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    The phrase can be very confusing and illogical, especially considering
    the original concept of the phrase is derived from Aristotle's Greek,
    then the Latin, "petitio principii", to English, and intended to mean,
    "assuming an unstated original point in an argument".

    The "question" is actually an archaic form meaning the "argument" or
    "subject of debate", and "begs or begging", is to assume the inclusion
    of an absent detail in an argument, which results in a fallacious
    circular argument.

    Places "question" can be found used in that manner are in the Courtroom
    where a trial can be termed "a question of guilt or innocence", and in
    the parliamentary setting where the subject of a debate could be
    phrased as, "the question of the budget".
    Savageduck, Nov 6, 2012
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    DanP Guest

    That was epic. Didn't have the patience to read it all, but still, wow.

    DanP, Nov 6, 2012
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    Whisky-dave Guest

    No I was taking pictures with the ipad a bit like some peole take pictures with their camera, I've heard peole do that sport of thing.
    Yep, and if I do that it's unlikely I'll be copying a 1000s of photos and even if I do I can sych or unsyn them via the computer which is how they went on their in the first place.
    Perhaps, but then again I tend to delete the album.

    Think of it this way 100 years ago if I had an album full of photos I didn;t need (due to the cost of albums) I might well remove all teh photos from the album (saving the album cover perhaps it had gold edging or be made of silk)

    But on the ipad this isn;t relevent, if I have an album that contains 1000sphotos I don;t want I delete teh album, but of teh album has 2000 photos adn I want to delete 1/2 of them then that would be a problem but that's a problem I've yet to encounter as I don;t tend to put 1000s of photos in a album that I don't want to view.

    The reason I was taking photos last night is that my cat had decided to usemy keyboard as a pillow and the noise of the repeating keys annoyed her.
    She doesn;t understand that the primary use of a keyboard is to type, she thinks it can be used as a pillow, now I'm trying to get her to understand it's not a backup devivce but if she wants to use it as such she could have 'issue's , but as long as she doesn;t try using it as a littler tray ... that's where I draw the line.

    Maybe it will if enough people or Apple thimk it's 'Apple like' or someone writes an app to do it

    in the meantime it seems there are solutions to problems I've yet to experience.

    Whisky-dave, Nov 6, 2012
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    David Taylor Guest

    Deleting the albums does /not/ remove the image files from the iPad.

    The solution you suggest requires an external computer.

    There are a number of us who have seen the problem.

    It's obvious that the people who've designed the software (or those who
    created the specification) haven't used an iPad out in the field with
    the camera connector, stand-alone. Looks like the same team may have
    been given the job of designing the iOS 6 Mapping application as well! <G>
    David Taylor, Nov 6, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    | > Unfortunately, if your claim really is true, then it begs the question
    as to why you kept on harping on an irrelevant issue.
    | 1) look up "begging the question"!

    It depends on where you look it up:


    I grew up speaking American English and the only
    definition I've ever known for "begs the question"
    is as -hh used it. (Second example at link above.)
    Ex.: "That leaking pipe begs the question of who is
    in charge of plumbing inspections here."

    But isn't the whole point to communicate? Which
    "begs for" some other fun English expression:

    "splitting hairs"

    "counting the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin"

    "missing the forest for the trees"

    The mystic Gurdjieff had an interesting theory that excessive
    argumentativeness is a form of sexual perversion, caused by
    diverting sexual energy through the intellect due to a sort of titillation
    addiction. He said that such misuse of energy can be recognized
    by two features: 1) An inappropriate vehemence
    and 2) the irrelevance of the argument.

    A good example would be the fire-and-brimstone preacher
    who *seems* to be speaking coherent ideas but whose
    words are actually just the manifestation of sexual frustration.
    He blathers because he's hooked on dwelling on the delicious
    sense of purpose that his distorted arousal provides....
    Which begs the question....
    Mayayana, Nov 6, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    Casey Stengel grew up speaking American English.

    One of the definitions in the site you linked to says:
    "This reinterpretation of beg the question is incorrect but is
    currently in widespread use.)"

    In other words, it's incorrect but people still use it.
    tony cooper, Nov 6, 2012
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