Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, Jan 29, 2005.

  1. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    Well sports fans, it had to happen. I've been dreading this day for a few
    years now, but today I finally got the call with the bad news about dad.

    Dad wants a new digital camera.

    It seems that his old Mavica just isn't giving him the quality pics he thinks
    he deserves. He's also growing tired of carrying around all those 5.25"
    I don't know what his problem is since he can get almost 20 pics on each
    Perhaps my 20D galleries are starting to convince him that 1 megapixel won't
    bring him digital nirvana.

    So today he calls me up and tells me he needs my expert advice in choosing the
    perfect camera for him.
    My first question in such circumstances is always the same: "How much do you
    wanna spend?"
    He replied in the usual way: "As little as possible."
    Everyone wants everything ... it's just that nobody wants to pay for it.

    When I suggested a few price points ("less than $400", "less than $700"), he
    stunned me with, "Oh I don't know .... maybe $1000 or at least less than
    I almost dropped the phone!

    Two grand opens up a whole 'nother shelf to look at. In fact, I can probably
    dump ....er, I mean .... transfer ownership of my Totally Digital D60, a proven
    performer, and still have a few bucks left over for that macro lens. And
    that's after the Annika Family Discount!

    Dad must be getting senile as he even gave me his credit card # so I could
    order him what "he" needs.
    Now I'm sure dad would love the 600mm f/4 or maybe the 65mm MP-E Macro (with
    the twin ring lights, of course!). And that new 16-35L is an automatic. Or
    perhaps dad would prefer a series of "L" primes?
    That 200 f/1.8L is supposed to be pretty sharp.
    Decisions, decisions ....

    I've been jonesing for the 24-70L ever since I saw those crystal clear tsunami
    pics that tourist took with it and his 1Ds. So I could let dear old dad have
    the D60 with my workhorse lens (the incredible 28-135 IS) and I could order one
    of the 24-70L's for myself. Or perhaps since most of his shooting involves
    real estate (both outside and inside) he might prefer the 20mm f/2.8? That
    would be a nice fit on the Totally Digital D60. Or I could suggest a fixed
    lens cammy like the Powershot Pro1.

    Are there any digicams with larger LCD screens? I know he's gonna bitch at any
    of the small screens I've seen. And I'll need to tell him to keep everything
    in the green "P" mode for Perfect Pics.
    And then he'll need a card reader .... and batteries ... and an extra CF card
    or two.
    This is gonna get ugly.....
    Annika1980, Jan 29, 2005
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  2. Annika1980

    Roxy Durban Guest

    It's already ugly. You posted it here and you know how some folks get
    about discussing digital on the group.

    But if you want your Dad to get the best he can get, steer him away from
    all that Canon shit you keep raving about and let him buy the clearly
    superior Nikon D70 with 18-70mm DX lens. Every magazine review out there
    puts it way ahead of the cheaper EOS garbage that evil Canon has been
    foisting on their unsuspecting customers since they abandoned the FD mount.

    But then I suppose you might get jealous when ole Pops starts showing
    you a thing or two with his superior equipment.

    Go on, get him the Nikon.

    I dare ya.
    Roxy Durban, Jan 29, 2005
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    Annika1980 Guest

    But if you want your Dad to get the best he can get, steer h­im away
    all that Canon shit you keep raving about and let him buy th­e clearly
    superior Nikon D70 with 18-70mm DX lens. Every magazine revi­ew out
    puts it way ahead of the cheaper EOS garbage that evil Canon­ has been
    foisting on their unsuspecting customers since they abandone­d the FD
    Annika1980, Jan 29, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Several of the later P&S Sony's have large screens ... and of course the Maxxum
    7D sports a large screen... but that would screw your D60 conspiracy. I think
    I'll give your fatehr a call and remind him of your larcenous heart ... of
    course he might be proud of that.
    Alan Browne, Jan 29, 2005
  5. Annika1980

    Roxy Durban Guest

    Well, off the top of my head... Shutterbug & Practical Photography are two
    that I have read recently who both put the D70 on top of its peers. There
    are probably others, but I wouldn't know, I live in Africa.

    Interesting that you should make a comparison with the 20D. I'd like to
    see that, because apart from the bigger sensor, what advantages does it
    offer over the D70 (or the D60, for that matter)? I seriously hope they
    have improved on the auto-focus for one thing.

    Get Pops the D70. He might leave it to you in his will (because it will
    clearly outlast any Canon you might give him).
    Roxy Durban, Jan 30, 2005
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    Ken Tough Guest

    Yes, autofocus is one of the big improvements between D70 and 20D.
    I knew low-light AF and sport shooting would be a bugbear with the D70,
    but couldn't justify the extra $ of the 20D. I'm quite happy with the
    D70, but would love a telephoto. That's the other advantage of the
    Canon is the wide selection of good lenses, including stabilised
    lenses at the slower f's (Nikon's VR tend to be on its beasts).

    Shutter lag is also lower on the 20D than the D70, though it's
    primarily the AF component that you'd notice.
    Hmmm. Given Bret's stock of Canon lenses, it might mean he doesn't
    lose a lot of those through 'attrition' (borrowing) as well.
    Ken Tough, Jan 30, 2005
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    PGG Guest

    If Dad was using an old Mavica up until this point, I would think your old
    D60 plus a 28-105 would make him extremely happy.

    Why bother with expensive glass...just a nice zoom. Doesn't even need to
    be L glass.
    PGG, Jan 30, 2005
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    Sander Vesik Guest

    Sure comparisons between two digital cameras are off-topic
    in this newsgroup?
    Sander Vesik, Jan 30, 2005
  9. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    From: Roxy Durban <>
    : I wouldn't know, I live in Africa.

    Truer words were never spoken.
    Annika1980, Jan 31, 2005
  10. Annika1980

    Roxy Durban Guest

    Last year I shot Super 12 rugby with the D60 and regardless of what lens I
    used, about 60-80% of my shots were out of focus. Wasn't the case with a
    lot of the EOS1D users. 10D users had similar complaints. The 20D only
    really became available during the off-season, so I haven't had an
    opportunity to speak to any owners about its sports performance.

    However, I did shoot the last Sharks Currie Cup match of the season using
    the D70 and the Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR AF-S and it rocked! IF only there
    was a grip for the D70 with a vertical release!
    D70 certainly doesn't seem to be a slouch in this area, though. I think a
    lot of the out of focus images I was getting with the D60 had a bit to do
    with the shutter lag.
    IIRC he only has about three lenses, of which two are L class. If he sold
    them all along with the 3 EOS bodies he has he'd be able to buy a D70,
    70-200mm f/2.8 with TC20eII and possibly a 28-70mm f/2.8 AF-S. Then he'd
    be cool. Right now he's as square as a hare.
    Roxy Durban, Jan 31, 2005
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    Bandicoot Guest


    What's wrong with hares? I like hares, sometimes they run through my
    garden, but unlike rabbits, they don't eat the flowers (much) and watching
    them box is _very_ cool.

    (OK, I know I had a sense of humour around here someplace, now, where did I
    put it....)


    Bandicoot, Feb 2, 2005
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