What would you think of a camera with THESE hours

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Jim, Dec 23, 2007.

  1. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Hi guys,

    A question for the skeptical, professional, and those in the know.....

    Looking at a Sony HVR-A1U listed as mint in box with all accessories.
    I am told hours are:
    Operation: 0 x 10H
    Drum Run: 0 x 10H
    Tape Run: 0 x 10H
    Threading: 4 x 10

    Its never been turned on but had the tape inserted 40 times..? Does that
    sound right?
    Demo unit off a self or something?
    Whatcha think?

    Jim, Dec 23, 2007
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  2. No. It means that it has <10 hours of operation,
    <10 hours of Drum running, and <10 hours of
    tape running. But it has had tape threaded (but
    not necessarily moving) for at least 40 hours.
    You must turn it on to thread tape, and the
    counters don't run when powered down.
    Sounds like somebody who is dumping it in favor of a
    Canon HV20! :)
    But seriously, who knows? Ask them!
    Richard Crowley, Dec 23, 2007
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  3. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Thanks for the response.
    Yea.. duh me. It won't click 1x10 till 10 hours. so 0x10 is up to 9.99

    Isn't threading the # of times a tape was threaded thru the heads?
    Basically how many times a tape was inserterted and the threading operation
    Thus the fact that there is no H in that integer?

    So that means that the camera has pretty much run less than 10 hours and had
    a cassette put in 40 times.
    Jim, Dec 23, 2007
  4. I don't think so. I've never seen any equipment that counted
    the number of TIMES a tape had been threaded. I think they
    merely dropped the "H" accidentally. "Threading Hours" is
    a common metric. "Threading times" is not.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 23, 2007
  5. Jim

    P.C. Ford Guest

    As I understand it, the threading count is the number of _times_ a
    cassette has been inserted.

    My former partner in a camera refused to learn how to use Final Cut on
    his new Mac with a Cinema display. He preferred instead to do tape to
    tape editing by bouncing tape between two cameras.

    The threading count was very high.
    P.C. Ford, Dec 23, 2007
  6. "P.C. Ford" wrote ...
    I've seen many pieces of equipment with "threaded hours",
    but never "threading count". Can you give an example
    of where this can be found?
    Richard Crowley, Dec 23, 2007
  7. "Richard Crowley" wrote ...
    Well, I downloaded the PDF manual for the camcorder,
    and INDEED it does keep a *count* of tape threadings
    rather than the "threaded hours". I would be fascinated
    to know why they think that the number of threadings
    is significant and the threaded hours is not.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 23, 2007
  8. Jim

    P.C. Ford Guest

    Well, I guess a high threading count would indicate use as a deck like
    my sh!thead former partner insisted on doing.

    By the way, another interesting point in this regard:
    After I started to have drop-outs on the aforementioned camera, I had
    the head replaced. When I got it back the hour numbers were changed
    significantly. Some up and some down. I called the repair place and
    the guy said that the hour meter can bounce around on its own.
    P.C. Ford, Dec 23, 2007
  9. "P.C. Ford" wrote ...
    But that would run up the other numbers, also.
    Head wear, for example, isn't caused by the number
    of times a cassette is threaded. Heads are worn down
    by the tape running, and the drum turning, etc.
    Sounds like a lame excuse for bungling to me.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 23, 2007
  10. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Thanks for the responses from everybody!

    Would threaded hours as you speak of, be the same as 'Tape Run'?
    Since that is the time of the tape running past the heads (threaded
    Jim, Dec 23, 2007
  11. "Jim" wrote ...
    No. "Tape Run" is incremented while the tape is actually
    moving, not just threaded into the machine.

    Perhaps "threading count" is significant because they
    aren't making the mechanics as beefy as they used to,
    and they have some significantly limited life expectancy.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 23, 2007
  12. Jim

    P.C. Ford Guest

    Maybe. The place was a broadcast equipment repair place. They said
    that there is no way for the numbers to be changed by a repair
    facility..they said it was some stray charge which affected the

    I dunno. Maybe I should call Sony Pro.

    By the way, some numbers went up and some went down.
    P.C. Ford, Dec 23, 2007
  13. Jim

    Jim Guest

    True. All my Beta stuff if threading hours of course, but as I was googling
    an answer to this, it seems a common thing for the newer
    plasticams ;) to have threading count.

    Thanks Richard (and P.C.) Merry Christmas!!

    Jim, Dec 23, 2007
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