What XLR adapter will allow headphones on a Sony DCR-VX2100?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Randyman, Jul 23, 2004.

  1. Randyman

    Randyman Guest

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    I thought the BeachTek DXA-8 XLR adapter box sounded good; then, I realized
    there were no headphone inputs. I'm a newbie (not even that yet). I
    haven't even bought the camera yet, but I'm exploring all aspects of
    camcorder before I buy. I thought headphones were an intricate part of
    obtaining good audio to get worth while video. It looks like all the XLR
    adapters don't have headphone inputs. What's the info. on this aspect of
    video production with a cheaper camcorders. Thanks for answering this --

    Sincerely -- Randyman in WI

    Also--- anyone captured and worked tape from this model camcorder in Adobe
    Premiere Pro Specifically version """"1.5""" yet??
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    Randyman, Jul 23, 2004
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  2. Randyman

    Yarock Guest

    Your camera has a headphone jack, doesn't it?
    Bruce Yarock
     
    Yarock, Jul 23, 2004
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  3. Randyman

    Randyman Guest

    Yes it does have one for the mini stereo setup it comes with. Once an XLR
    adapter is attached with xlr microphones I would think the mini stereo
    headphone input would not work; it would be somewhat a different circuitry.
    I maybe wrong, but I bet I'm not. The XLR adapter box is running the audio
    gain; so, I would think somehow the headphone should attach to the adapter.
    I wish someone with a working knowledge of this particular camcorder (and
    similar camcorder types) would post and discuss xlr adapter types and
    headphone use with the adapters. Thanks all.
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    Randyman, Jul 23, 2004
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    axemaster Guest

    It works just fine.
    How much ya wanna bet?
    Plug the Mic('s) into the XLR adapter. Plug the XLR adapter into the camera
    mic jack. Plug your headphones into the camera headphone jack.

    Depending on manufacture date of your VX2000, you may find that leaving the
    audio gain on auto is the only way to get acceptable results.

    As to discussing XLR adapters: The beachtek is fine. I prefer Azden and
    Studio1.
     
    axemaster, Jul 24, 2004
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  5. You would be wrong in thinking that the headphone circuit would not work
    with XL inputs. It does. F'gitaboutit!
    You don't want to monitor from the BeachTek box. You want to monitor what is
    actually IN the camera. That way you know exactly what should be going on
    tape. Never believe that what you hear in the box is actually going into the
    camcorder. Bad cabling, crossed cabling, NO cabling, RF interference,
    Intermittent hits, under/over modulation, impedance mismatch are all very
    common audio squawks. They happen all the time. Ask anyone that has been in
    the biz for awhile. They will tell you that the best way to monitor FIELD
    PRODUCTION AUDIO is from the recording source.
    The only way to do this is to use the camcorder's headphone output.

    Hope this helps.

    Bill F
    www.billfarnsworthvideo.com
     
    Bill Farnsworth, Jul 24, 2004
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    The Videoguy Guest

    The headphone jack works just fine with the Beachtek

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    Dave Jones
    817-896-4277
    Independent Video Productions
    www.vdoguy.com
     
    The Videoguy, Jul 24, 2004
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  7. Assuming you mean "headphone OUTput". Most of us have
    two headphone "INputs", one on either side of our head.
    Unclear why your would buy a BeachTek adapter BEFORE
    buying a camera. The BeachTek (and similar products) are
    problem-solvers. You don't need one unless you have a
    problem to solve. It is not a "magic bullet" that makes your
    audio sound better.
    Absolutely, and good for you to understand that. Some
    people have been doing video for decades and have
    never even thought about carrying a pair of headphones
    along with them. Might as well frame and focus with
    your eyes closed.
    Nobody wants to monitor at THAT point. You want to
    monitor at the very END of the chain (the headphone
    output jack on the camera) in order to monitor the
    ENTIRE audio path.
    Or with expensive cameras just the same. If you go
    over to and you
    will see monitoring mentioned frequently. Several vendors
    even sell special cables that allow the sound mixer to send
    audio TO the camera, and a bundled second cable to bring
    back the monitor sound FROM THE CAMERA back to the
    audio mixer. Of course these kinds of things are overkill
    for the kind of video most amateurs do, but the concept of
    monitoring at the camera output remains constant everywhere.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 24, 2004
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  8. Randyman

    Ed Anson Guest

    Everything Bill said is correct. Let me add this:

    The signals in the BeachTek are microphone level and would not likely
    drive headphones very effectively.

    The BeachTek does NOT provide any audio gain, contrary to the OP's
    assumption. The sound level knobs can be used to reduce the levels but
    not increase them. If you want some gain (which I often find useful)
    then you need a mic pre-amp or mixer. Of course, that costs a bit more,
    and the BeachTek will work just fine if you get an adequate signal from
    the mic.

    Unless you use a pre-amp, the cam's headphone jack is not only the best
    way available to monitor the sound -- it's the only way.
     
    Ed Anson, Jul 24, 2004
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  9. Randyman

    Randyman Guest

    I thank each and everyone of you for sharing your thoughts on this subject.
    I'm not buying the adapter before buying the camera, but I wanted to know as
    much as possible about the audio of this camera (the Sony DCR-VX2100). I
    wanted to know what would be involved in using xlr microphones to get better
    audio. I'm really just educating myself yet; so, I make the best purchase
    decisions. You guys are the experts, and I'm trying to tap into your
    accumulated knowledge; I sure can't get this info. at Circuit City, Best
    Buy, or any place I know of. Thanks again.

    Sincerely -- Randy in WI
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    Randyman, Jul 24, 2004
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  10. Randyman

    Ed Anson Guest

    I posted that yesterday. Today, my copy of DV magazine arrived, and in
    it an ad for a NEW BeachTek model that includes preamps, limiters and
    phantom power. That sounds nice. If I didn't already have a nice mixer,
    I'd be looking into it.
     
    Ed Anson, Jul 24, 2004
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