What you see is always quite what gets you:

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Eric Stevens, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. Eric Stevens

    PeterN Guest

    There is a safe way to photograph an oncoming train, from track level.

    <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/train show_0639.jpg>
    PeterN, Sep 11, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Lionel would be proud of you, but that shot sure is an OoF mess.

    Talking of Lionel. My 90 year old father is planning to down size and
    move to a retirement community. In inventorying all that is under his
    current roof is the Lionel train he bought for me in 1949. It is
    complete with the original boxes. So we are going to see what bids we
    can get. That particular locomotive and tender, only made between 1946
    to 1949 has current value (condition dependent) of $425-$550. Then
    there is all the other stuff.
    Savageduck, Sep 11, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    His situation wasn't helped by a slow shutter. :-(

    When I posted this I wasn't trying to say that a person would not be
    at fault for standing in front of a moving locomotive. I thought I was
    highlighting the dangers of the visual distortion of the scene as
    viewed through the view finder.

    I remember when I first got glasses. There was a ditch I used to jump
    across without hesitation. With my glasses I had to climb down into it
    and then climb out. It was about 10 days before I was willing to jump
    it again.

    It needn't have been a moving locomotive that got the photographer.
    His view of the world could have caused him to misjudge a step onto a
    plank or similar.
    Eric Stevens, Sep 11, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    If by "bids" you mean ebay, I'm going to make a suggestion--if the book
    value is 550, start it as an auction at 600 and if it doesn't sell, run
    it down by 20 percent increments until either it sells or the price is
    low enough that you'd rather keep it.

    I used to start everything at 99 cents on the "start it low and let it
    go" basis, but about a year ago something in the market changed and
    stuff that used to get bid up to a reasonable amount started going for
    99 cents.

    Ultimately I adopted a different strategy--start it at what I want to
    get for it and if it doesn't sell, lower the starting bid 20 percent
    each week until it does. It takes a lot longer to sell stuff but I get
    more for it but I'm not selling gold rings for a buck any more.

    Also, ebay has 12 photo slots for each item and has quit charging extra
    for photos, so use all 12. If it has a box, get at least one of the
    J. Clarke, Sep 11, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    But it was safe.

    When one of my neighbors moved, he gave me a Lionel train set. It has
    been sitting in storage for over twenty years. I have no idea what it is
    worth, but one day I will get it out of storage and sell.
    PeterN, Sep 12, 2013
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    Dave Guest

    Dave, Sep 12, 2013
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    Alfred Molon, Sep 13, 2013
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    Peter Irwin Guest

    No. Taking a picture of a train from the track or even
    within one track width of the the track is criminally stupid
    even if you can get away in time not to be killed.

    Trains have very long stopping distances, and by the time you
    are visible from the train it may be too late for the train to
    stop with full breaking. You should be off the track well before
    people on the train can see you.
    Peter Irwin, Sep 13, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    How do you know he wasn't using the LCD? We have no information on the
    camera type being used.
    Savageduck, Sep 13, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    If full breaking is OK there's no need to brake.
    J. Clarke, Sep 13, 2013
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    Peter Irwin Guest

    Quite right of course. I seem to have had homophone trouble early
    this morning. The fact remains that trains are very hard to stop,
    and even if you think you have plenty of time to get out of the way,
    the train doesn't - and you should not be on the track even if the
    train is a mile away.

    Peter Irwin, Sep 13, 2013
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    George Kerby Guest

    But if you burst into a Brake-Dance would it 'be still'?
    George Kerby, Sep 13, 2013
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    George Kerby Guest

    Is that like an Obamaphone?
    George Kerby, Sep 13, 2013
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    "Greymouth photographer Stewart Nimmo said he knew Mr Duncraft well and
    suspected that his view through the camera may have given him a
    perception that the train was further up the track."
    Alfred Molon, Sep 13, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    that doesn't say if it's an lcd on the back or an evf or optical

    either one is the 'view through the camera'.
    Guest, Sep 13, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest


    Tell me, what type of camera was he using? DSLR, compact, M4/3???
    Savageduck, Sep 13, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 9/10/2013 12:45 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    : > On 2013-09-10 08:57:46 -0700, Tony Cooper <> said:
    : >
    : >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 05:41:28 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    : >>
    : >>>>>>> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11121720
    : >>>>>>>
    : >>>>
    : >>>>> You can't overlook the fact that he was one of us.
    : >>
    : >>>> He was?
    : >>>
    : >>> Shouldn;t we at least first find out what sort of camera he was using
    : >>> ... ;-)
    : >>>
    : >> The article doesn't say what kind of camera it was, if the camera was
    : >> damaged, or if there were any good images on the card. They leave out
    : >> the important stuff.
    : >>
    : >> Who has the copyrights to a dead man's photos?
    : >
    : > Since he was undoubtably trespassing on the railroad's right of way, it
    : > would seem the RR would have all rights to any photographs.
    : > ...unless the ex-photographer got a property release signed before
    : > stepping onto the track.
    : >
    : >
    : There is a safe way to photograph an oncoming train, from track level.
    : <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/train show_0639.jpg>

    N gauge or HO? And is the picture really as oof as it appears?

    Robert Coe, Sep 14, 2013
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    Alfred Molon Guest

    That's irrelevent. If he was looking through the camera, he was using
    the viewfinder.
    Alfred Molon, Sep 14, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    it's not irrelevant at all.
    there's nothing that says what *kind* of viewfinder it was.

    it could have been the rear lcd just as easily as it could have been an
    optical viewfinder or an evf. with all of them, the user is looking
    'through the camera' and seeing what the camera sees.
    Guest, Sep 14, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Not irrelevant at all, you are adamant that he was shooting with a
    camera with an OVF and you have no basis for that assumption without
    knowing the type of camera he used. He could have been distracted by
    anything. However, for your argument to have any validity, you would
    first have to establish the type of camera used.
    Your assumption is based on opinion not fact, just as the assumption in
    the report that he was actually framing the train with his camera when
    he was hit. He was distracted. He could very well have been reviewing
    prior shots on the LCD screen, he might have been making a cell phone
    call. he might have been distracted by an interesting bird. He might
    even have had his back to the train. I don't know, and neither do you.
    What I do know is, he took a stupid risk, and paid for it.
    Savageduck, Sep 14, 2013
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