Whatever happened to FAST lenses???

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, Apr 25, 2005.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Especially when you consider the sensors in the
    cameras today are (for the most part) smaller than
    35mm film. In the prosumer class, Olympus C-5050
    was the last with an f1.8 lens, now they're all
    2.whatever. Either they couldn't control CA, or the
    cost was too high to keep them in the cameras.
    In any case, there is NO reason WHY in the DSLR class
    there doesn't seem to exist a 50mm f1 lens.
    Yes, I know we have fast teles, but for all round use
    under difficult lighting, you won't be lugging around
    a 300mm f2, you'll want something in the 50-100mm or
    equivalent digital size. Well, there is at least one...
    http://nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=1435#
     
    RichA, Apr 25, 2005
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  2. (50/1.2)

    The DoF is close to zero for that lens.
     
    Philip Homburg, Apr 25, 2005
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  3. RichA

    Walt Hanks Guest

    I've wondered that myself. I think a lot of it has to do with the dominance
    of zoom lenses. I see very few people shooting with prime lenses any more.
    When I make my purchase decision (Canon vs. Nikon), I can guarantee that a
    35/1.4, 50/1.4, and 105/2.8 will be in the mix.

    Walt
     
    Walt Hanks, Apr 25, 2005
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  4. Walt Hanks wrote:
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    With some DSLRs starting at ISO 200 sensitivity, won't you need some ND
    filters as well?

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 25, 2005
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  5. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Because cheap zooms are what the mfgs are now providing.
    Used to be, the old 50mm f1.8 or f1.4. Now it's zooms
    with f2.5-f3.5 focal ratios. I had zooms for my SLRs
    but I disliked the performance compared to good primes.
    -Rich
     
    RichA, Apr 25, 2005
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  6. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Right this minute, in the overcast North East, exposure on one camera
    is...1/60th at f4 with ISO 50.
    -Rich
     
    RichA, Apr 25, 2005
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  7. Hey Troll Boy! There are and have been F1.0 lenses but the market is
    rather limited for them.

    Here are they are:

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/213751/3

    and here:

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=153&sort=7&cat=2&page=3

    http://www.imx.nl/photosite/leica/mseries/testm/M10-50.html

    Leica even made an 90mm F1.0 prototype for the U.S. Navy in the
    1960's.


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    John A. Stovall, Apr 25, 2005
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  8. Don't neglect the 85mm F1.2L.


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    John A. Stovall, Apr 25, 2005
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  9. RichA

    Alan Browne Guest

    What happened? ISO 100 and up slide film and tele-zooms. That's what
    happened.

    As to the f/1.0 - f/1.2 lenses they quickly proved to be very fast and
    not so desireable in sharpness.

    There are a lot of f/1.4 - f/2 lenses to choose from for most DSLR's,
    but zoom is not part of the equation.

    Cheers,
    Alan.



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    Alan Browne, Apr 25, 2005
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  10. I like to work at night and if I can find a Canon 50mm F1.0 for around
    1500 I can see where it would be interesting at ISO 3200. Noise for
    what I want isn't that big a deal. Besides it can be interesting just
    like grain in pushed Tri-X could be.


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    "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the
    color of blood in black and white"


    David Douglas Duncan
    Speaking on why in Vietnam
    he worked only in black and white
    http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/
     
    John A. Stovall, Apr 25, 2005
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  11. RichA

    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    People don't want to pay the extra money for faster lenses, I guess.
    Canon has one, but it apparently does not have very good quality in
    spite of being very expensive. It's extremely difficult to make a good
    lens that fast, but it must be possible, and I'd love to have 50mm f/1
    (or better).

    Leica has a rather legendary 50mm f/1 also, which from what I hear is
    pretty good. Of course, that's not for SLRs.
    It's all about what people want to pay for; both Nikon and Canon have
    some fast lenses. I'd like there to be more, but the thing is, most
    people want zoom lenses and they want them to be cheap, and neither
    of those things is going to get you speed.
     
    Jeremy Nixon, Apr 25, 2005
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  12. Which show most people don't care about quality.


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    John A. Stovall, Apr 25, 2005
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  13. RichA

    RichA Guest

    You sure are up to date. I never said there have NEVER been any
    fast lenses, I said what HAPPENED to them?
    BTW; The fredmiranda link is DEAD.
    -Rich
     
    RichA, Apr 25, 2005
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  14. No, Toll boy you just don't understand the technology.

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/213751/3

    That link works just fine as does the other one.

    As for the 90mm F1.0, I was just pointing out that F1.0 lenses have
    been made in the past but there is no large photographic market for
    them.

    You will find many F1.0 lenses in night vision gear.

    And Canon made an F0.95 in 1961 for the Canon 7 rangefinder.

    http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/index4.htm

    http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/index-frameset.html?Canon7.html~mainFrame




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    John A. Stovall, Apr 25, 2005
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  15. RichA

    RichA Guest

    I don't imagine there is. Lenses like that served as documentary
    devices. If the shot needed to be taken and nothing else could
    do it (with 200 speed film, whatever) they fit the bill. No one
    was going to notice their optical shortcomings using pushed Tri-X,
    they just needed some kind of image.
    Maybe even faster since the resolution of those devices is low
    and won't be hurt by less than stellar optics. Fastest lens I've ever seen (diverging from lenses made specifically
    for cameras) was an f 0.5 Schmidt lens where the film was held inside
    the lens itself.

    Apparently, all the sub-f1.2 lenses are now very collectable.

    I'd just like to say that the I appreciated the extra f-stop of speed
    simply because whatever softness the lens itself displayed was more
    than compensated for by the elimation of shake that would have been
    induced by having to shoot at a slower shutter speed.
    Now, the technology (though Zeiss has had this for decades in
    binoculars) that permits vibrations to be damped out in some cameras
    is replacing the need for ultrafast lenses. But what if you could
    have both?
    -Rich
     
    RichA, Apr 26, 2005
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