Where to purchase a good flash bracket in Australa?

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by Ron, Jan 6, 2007.

  1. Ron

    Ron Guest

    G'day all. I am after a top quality flash bracket where you can flip your
    camera, rather than your flash. Does anyone know where in Australia who
    stock these. I have checked out vanbar etc.

    Cheers
    Ron
     
    Ron, Jan 6, 2007
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  2. Ron

    Rob Guest

    Usually the flash stays at the same orientation as the camera to allow
    coverage which it is designed. most cameras make a rectangular image
    those which don't are square and flipping is not required.
     
    Rob, Jan 6, 2007
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  3. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    And the answer to the other part of the question, IMO, is to ship one from
    the USA. Many camera shops here do not stock them, and the ones that do seem
    to think they are made of gold :) A much wider selection can be found on
    the net, and at lower prices, even with shipping costs. YMMV.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 6, 2007
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  4. Ron

    Rob Guest

    What type of flash are they mounting? to which camera?
     
    Rob, Jan 6, 2007
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  5. Ron

    Rob Guest

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/

    type in search "flash bracket"

    there are about 100 different types there.

    B&H would hold 95% of anything photographic, that's available through
    out the world. They have a $3 million a day turnover, 600 staff with 150
    on the phone lines. Sorry, closed Saturdays. Excellent export service.
     
    Rob, Jan 6, 2007
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  6. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    Any standard flash bracket will mount any normal "shoe" mount flash. If you
    want to maintain a hot shoe connection, then obviously you need a suitable
    extension lead as well. If the flash was a "handle" type, or studio tripod
    mount, I doubt he would be looking for a flash bracket.
    I assumed the OP had enough smarts to know that. Why would you think
    otherwise?

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 6, 2007
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  7. Ron

    Duncan Guest

    Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have well made and engineered bits of kit
    but when it comes to things like this it isn't too difficult to make one.

    There are so many photo shops that have oddments and bits laying around in
    their drawers that they would give away for cents that you could cobble a
    decent frame from and a hot shoe too.

    See what's on the market and just think laterally how you would go about
    making it. I come from an age where we made things we didn't have or built
    it out of Mecanno! So much can be made out of cast offs and in today's age
    recycling them is a worthwhile thing to do.

    Unless you need to have a nice shiny new pro bit of kit then by all means
    buy it new if your reputation is a stake and you are working professionally.
    But then you could afford to buy it without too much of an issue with price
    for that matter. You'll earn it back in no time.

    As for the cost in the home market is down to distributor mark-ups and
    margins as well as the manufacturers profit and customs duty on import. The
    poor guy in the shop has to cover his rent, rates, telephone, staff, water
    bills and all the other overheads that they have to cover to be there and
    don't forget GST on top.

    Even when you complain at the home market costs just remember the shop is
    making a very small margin and not their fault. They're only trying to make
    a living.


    Duncan
     
    Duncan, Jan 6, 2007
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  8. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    You can probably find cheap bits in an op shop, but not too many camera
    shops sell anything for cents.
    A hot shoe is not so easy these days either with a multitude of dedicated
    contacts. Buying a manufacturers cable is often the only choice unless you
    want to go to full manual operation..
    Which ignores the fact that the OS shops are making a living too. How come I
    can import from a US shop with similar overheads, pay more for shipping than
    GST, and still save enough to make it worthwhile?
    Small margin :) But yes it's not all the shops fault, the Australian
    distributers/wholesalers are also to blame. Exactly who's making the biggest
    killing is irrelevant to the consumer though.
    A living I don't mind, a killing I object to, especially when it's me
    they're killing.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 6, 2007
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  9. Ron

    Nemo Guest

    Nemo, Jan 6, 2007
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  10. Ron

    Duncan Guest

    You need to understand how this works from a world perspective why the US is
    cheaper.

    In the US they have a MASSIVE market and work for lower margins as they can
    rely on a bigger turnover to justify the lower profit. The tax is applied
    afterwards and not inclusive so the purchaser pays city, state and federal
    tax where they live. Cost regimes in the US are very different to Aus/UK as
    we have higher tax on most things and duty. Bear in mind that the highly
    competitive nature of the US and the price is king so lower prices are the
    norm. The public there wouldn't buy it otherwise.
    Also remember that the US make things and supplying to a home market makes
    it cheaper to distribute. Favoured tariff terms with Taiwan and China make
    it also cheaper for US businesses to manufacture in these countries and
    import for a fraction of the rates we pay.

    When you buy you are buying exclusive of tax and the shipping is also tax
    free.

    You may get away with not having to pay duty and GST on import but it could
    be added if customs catch it or the shipper used collects it on delivery.

    There are so many reasons why this is so I could keep writing all day.

    Suffice to say that the market price is geared to a country, location or
    territory and that the working margins of the manufacturer and or
    distributor is usually far greater than the retailer. Just think about all
    that stock just waiting to be sold in the shop for you to choose from. That
    is a direct cost to the retailer who has to wait to get back the money
    spent. I have wondered if it wouldn't be better to earn interest in a
    savings account than stock a shop.

    But some retailers are into it for the love of photography. Yes I know there
    are those who only want the money but the small shops are enthusiasts
    enjoying doing for a living something they truly love.

    Duncan
     
    Duncan, Jan 6, 2007
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  11. Ron

    Ron Guest

    Thanks Nemo that flash bracket on ebay looks good value for the price. I
    also agree about Aussies paying too much for photography gear etc. that is
    if you can purchase the stock in Australia, eg nikon SD - 8A, which I will
    probably have to purchase from ebay also.

    Cheers all.

    Thanks for your input.
     
    Ron, Jan 6, 2007
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  12. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    Yes, but it's actually the amount of competition that has a bigger effect. A
    bigger market with more shops does not guarantee a bigger turnover.
    In fact only a couple of states have extra taxes on consumer items.
    What is the current duty on photographic equipment, other than the GST of
    course?
    I agree, so the answer is to do the same, ie. not buy here if prices are too
    high.
    Not much cheap photo gear made in the USA these days.
    What fraction would that be exactly?
    GST is chargeable at twice the normal rate *including on shipping cost*.
    You may not be charged of course, but even if you are it still works out
    cheaper in the majority of cases.
    I wish. Hardly anything at my local shops. When I ask for a price, all I get
    is the full retail, and they are not interested in discounting items they
    don't usually stock.
    No, unfortunately there are no tax deductions for interest on savings, even
    when it is LESS than the inflation rate and you are actually LOSING money.
    Yes I once knew a shop like that. It closed 20 years ago.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 6, 2007
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  13. Ron

    Duncan Guest

    It gets difficult to explain things in text when speaking would resolve so many of these issues and of course I don't have an answer to all of the questions and so can't answer them.

    But for example when manufacturing overseas in China for example they ask for a minimum US$2,000 order.

    Let's just use this as a base and that each item costs US$1.00 so the manufacturers have made some money on the sale at this point I'll use US$ from here on...

    It varies but with shipping and insurance works out around 50% to 100% of the original nett value so it's now $2.00 per unit.

    It arrives in the country and gets duty and tax and depending on the tariff it comes in one that adds another 35% so now it's $2.70.

    The item is shipped to the distributor from the company that had it manufactured. The originator wants at least a 20% return so we are now selling at $3.24.

    On landing let's say another 35% duty and tax so landed it's $4.38..

    The distributor now sells wholesale to the retailer and wants at least 20% = $5.26

    So the supply chain has loaded the price to the retailer who has to buy in volume and not just singles. He adds a margin of 35% taking it to $7.10 plus GST @ 10% it's now $7.81.

    So the dealer is making $1.84 profit per item to cover the overheads. But has to sell all of the quantity bought to make the 35%! Something sit on shelves for ages before they sell through.

    Converting to AUD the sale price is AU$10.02!

    The supply chain has loaded the price not the dealer.

    Also remember that foreign companies set a margin of 20% for their direct distribution. Enough to pay the overheads of the business in the country and create jobs and income tax for the government which keeps them happy. But the profit has been made in the home country as they have made a bigger margin through the direct sale to the subsidiary plus they get export tax incentives and so reduce their tax burden. Leaving us to pay for the high cost of the kit for them to play a numbers game.

    It's easy for the customer to blame the retailer and in some cases may be justified but largely it's out of their control.

    Duncan
     
    Duncan, Jan 6, 2007
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  14. Then when it comes to selling it in the stores, there is another lot of
    freight from a single distribution point (usually sydney or melbourne).
    To get even a small item from syd to bris, it's not unusual for the
    retailer to get hit with a $20 freight charge on a $5 item if it is a
    special order. I've had people say "well just get it posted, that would
    be $3" - unfortunately distributors don't work that way, they just use
    the one freight company, and unless you are ordering enough quantity to
    divide the freight between a number of items, the freight per item works
    out to be quite expensive. Customers don't like waiting 2-3 weeks for an
    item while the store accrues a large enough order to reduce freight to
    be something acceptible, but at the same time they won't pay a $20
    surcharge to have it here tomorrow.
     
    Graham Fountain, Jan 6, 2007
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  15. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    I am still puzzled why you think the supply and distribution chain of non
    USA made goods, is so different to that in Australia? And why shops here
    have different cost structures to those in the USA?

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 8, 2007
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  16. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    This can be quite true, so shipping it yourself from overseas is doing them
    a favour :)
    IME when people are told the situation, they are happy to make their own
    choice. ie yes I will wait 3 weeks and save $20, or no I want it now and am
    happy to pay the extra cost. What really annoys is when they just take your
    money, and then give you the run around for weeks, knowing full well they
    were going to wait for a larger order, but not telling the customer that.

    The fact is that multinationals have no problem getting things made overseas
    to increase their profit at the expense of local jobs. This keeps the
    workers wage down making it necessary for him to follow suit. If my job is
    not protected, I can't afford to pay to protect anyone else's. Too bad, but
    welcome to the modern economy and globalisation.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 8, 2007
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  17. Ron

    Nemo Guest


    It works like this ....

    Australia with a population or about twenty million in seven states and
    territories spread over about 10 million square kilometers necessitating
    seven offices, seven repair centres, seven managers and so on.

    New York, eight million people within an area of 830 square kilometers.
    Similarly for Singapore and Hong Kong and almost any European capital.

    The difference in cost structures is DENSITY.
     
    Nemo, Jan 8, 2007
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  18. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    And shop rents in New York are about ten times that of Australian cities,
    and there is far more competition. But it's all irrelevant, it still doesn't
    explain why only big companies in Australia should source from overseas and
    not me.

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 9, 2007
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  19. Ron

    Duncan Guest

    No one is suggesting that you don't purchase from overseas. If you choose to
    do so then fine.

    All we are trying to do is explain the nature of the way companies work and
    the associated costs and tax methods used to do the business to get them to
    a small market demand.

    As for rents in NY I don't know but even with high rents that you suggest
    their tax regime for paying income tax is much lower.

    Try telling any shop keeper in any trade that their rents as not high and
    see what response you get!

    I remember the rent in one shop in Balmain went up by 100% and that's close
    to the Post Office. Further down past the traffic lights where the banks are
    they were even higher!

    Duncan
     
    Duncan, Jan 9, 2007
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  20. Ron

    Mr.T Guest

    Well I always knew there was a difference, I still have no clue *exactly*
    what those differences are, and neither do you it seems, but consider it
    immaterial to my purchasing decisions. If I was starting a shop on the other
    hand......
    And the total cost structures are different in every case. So what, are you
    a shop owner?
    I couldn't be bothered. I went into Teds the other day, and saw a cheap
    Canon lens on special for 50% of RRP, then got offered full RRP on a better
    one. Was told that's the best they could do, so I walked out. Should I have
    thought "they need my money more than I do" perhaps? But that's not true,
    I'm sure Ted has more money than I ever will.
    And still ten times higher in New York. So what?

    MrT.
     
    Mr.T, Jan 9, 2007
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