which 400 speed B & W 35mm Film scans the best ?

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Johnny Slothman, May 25, 2005.

  1. I have been using TMY and I have not been satisfied with the results, way
    too grainy showing some weird specular highlights in the grain. I know T Max
    has a fine grain, but perhaps too fine a grain for scanning ? And that after
    is on 2 different scanners, a Microtek 120tf @4000ppi and Konica Minolta
    Dimage 5400II @5400ppi,
     
    Johnny Slothman, May 25, 2005
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    John Guest

    http://www.kodak.com/eknec/documents/59/0900688a80300559/EpubBW400CN4036.pdf

    BW400CN which is in fact a chromogenic color-negative (CN) material. I haven't
    found any real black-&-white films to scan well.

    JD - www.puresilver.org
     
    John, May 25, 2005
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  3. Ilford XP-2 and Fujin Neopan 400CN -- both chromogenic films -- have
    scanned well for me.

    I've had quite good results from the standard Fuji Neopan 400 [the
    traditional silver film, not the chromogenic one] too...

    Matt
     
    Matthew McGrattan, May 25, 2005
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    Johnson Guest

    I find that my EPSON 1640 with the transparency adapter scans BW silver
    films very well, but the Minolta Dimage Multi does a horrible job on BW.

     
    Johnson, May 25, 2005
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    Jordan W. Guest

    I've done a lot of B&W film scanning on my Minolta Scan Dual II.
    This is an older film scanner but the same principles apply.
    Chromogenic B&W (400CN or whatever Kodak calls theirs now, XP2,
    Konica Monochrome, etc.) definitely scans "smoother". Regular B&W
    is not bad either. I get good results with HP5 Plus. Delta 400 is
    very nice too. My general advice would be to go for the
    finest-grain combination you can find. I don't think there's such a
    thing as "too fine grain for scanning" here -- avoid coarse films
    and "acutance" developers like Rodinal and keep development times
    conservative (you can increase the contrast later) to avoid blowing
    out highlights. Make sure your scanner software is not applying
    some kind of sharpening algorithm.

    Jordan
     
    Jordan W., May 25, 2005
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    Rod Smith Guest

    In addition to the other suggestions, you might look into changing your
    developer rather than (or in addition to) your film. In particular, I've
    heard that staining developers often improve the scannability of B&W
    negatives. I've not tried this myself, though, so take this with a grain
    of salt.
     
    Rod Smith, May 25, 2005
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    UC Guest

    Why are you scanning??????? Conventional B&W films are designed for
    printing, not scanning!
     
    UC, May 25, 2005
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    glaserp Guest

    Which developer are you using? I've been developing TMY in XTOL 1:1
    and have gotten good results scanning with a Dimage 5400. Another
    thing to consider is your scanning software. Also, I've found that I
    got better results overall using Vuescan rather than Minolta's driver.

    --Phil
     
    glaserp, May 25, 2005
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  9. Wow !!!

    This looks like a very active NG here. I never expected so many replies in
    so short amount of time.
    I develop using T-Max RS and I have also used XTol with the same scanning
    results.

    But it looks like I will be trying some Kodak 400 CN now.
    That is a C41 process isn't it ?
    And Phil thanks for the suggestion of using Vuescan over the Minolta
    software.
     
    Johnny Slothman, May 25, 2005
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    Rod Smith Guest

    Yes, it is. So is Ilford XP2 Super and one or two others that were
    mentioned specifically in this thread (Fuji 400CN and one by Konica,
    IIRC).
     
    Rod Smith, May 25, 2005
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    John Guest

    Exactly. Process at your local lab. Usually.

    JD - www.puresilver.org
     
    John, May 25, 2005
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    Dr. Dagor Guest

    I gotta say that after working with both XP-2 and Kodak CN, the XP is
    still my favorite for tonal range. I'm willing to bet it will scan
    like a dream. And yes -- both are C-41 processes. Don't be shocked
    when the first set of prints come out a deathly brown (like a really
    bad Sepia-toned print). That's normal.

    The other combination worth trying is Ilford Delta 400 developed in
    Pyro -- ABC or PMK (take your pick).
     
    Dr. Dagor, May 26, 2005
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    glaserp Guest

    Kodak 400 CN looks beautiful, both grain and tonal range wise, and it
    _is_ a C41 process (with the same archival issues about color negative
    film), and it is expensive.

    Best of luck.

    --Phil
     
    glaserp, May 26, 2005
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  14. Just recently, I found that my HP5+ negatives that were done in some
    homebrew staining developers have scanned quite nicely. The lack of
    grain is balanced by the light edge effects and by scanning in color
    it seems my scanner can handle the tonality better in this
    combination. I'm admittedly not an expert and quite new to film
    scanning but the effects were easily better than I had been getting
    with traditional non-staining developers.


    Craig Schroeder
    craig nospam craigschroeder com
     
    Craig Schroeder, May 26, 2005
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