Which camcorder??

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by James Lincoln, Oct 9, 2003.

  1. I am looking at purchasing my first camcorder and have narrowed down
    my choice to two.
    Canon MV600
    Sony DCRTRV14
    I am intending to use them for a university dissertation, and then for
    other purposes later. I wnat to be able to connect the camcorder to a
    DVD recorder, which requires that the unit have the ability to connect
    to analogue composite conectors (the yellow for video, and red/white
    for audio). This will allow me to record the film on to a DVD RW. I
    also want the ability to connect to my PC, which is why I need a
    digital camcorder (DV output).
    I have looked at the instruction manual for the Sony from their
    website, yet cannot find anything for the connectivity of the Canon.

    Does anyone have an opinion on which would be better, and does anyone
    have any experience of these two units (ie quality of picture/sound,
    any problems etc).
    Thanks for any help
    James
     
    James Lincoln, Oct 9, 2003
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  2. James Lincoln

    Darcy O'Bree Guest

    Both are the same.
    I've used the models either side of these and there isn't much between them.
    They both have almost identical feature sets, both do good pictures, sound,
    etc and neither should give you any problems.

    My only suggestion would be to go for a version with DV-in if you want to
    master you edited material back to DV. Either the Canon MV600i or the Sony
    DCRTRV19 will do this.

    Other than that I'd say flip a coin to decide.

    Darcy O¹Bree
    Digital Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Oct 9, 2003
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  3. Im not too concerned about remastering back to DV, as I intend to add a DVD
    RW drive to my PC so that I can edit on PC and then burn onto disc.
    My only concern is with the canon, I have heard that the motor can cause
    some excess noise to be heard. Does anyone have any info on how
    bad/intrusive this can be during playback??
     
    James Lincoln, Oct 9, 2003
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  4. I would also like to ask if anyone really rates digital 8 as a medium?
    Would it be a seriously bad decision to choose a digital 8 unit over one
    that uses mini DV?
     
    James Lincoln, Oct 9, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    I don't know about your particular camcorders, but as a general rule you
    can "pass-through" to USB and/or S-Video and/or phono (depending on your
    outputs) by running your camcorder on "record/standby" with no tape in
    the camcorder.

    However, since you want DV into your PC (I assume just to monitor the
    camcorder's video) you'll have to run with a tape in.

    I suspect though, that what you are really asking is how you can monitor
    the camcorder's output without running a video editor. In which case
    you'll need a program called WebcamDV (which will cost you a pound or
    two). It's mostly used for video conferencing from camcorder via
    firewire to Messenger. But I see no reason why it wouldn't work for your
    application.
     
    Tony Morgan, Oct 9, 2003
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    You're best plan is to use an external microphone. Although it's mono,
    Maplin do a passable one with a two-switch setting - omni or (misnamed)
    zoom. It's about £25 and comes with an attachment that allows it to be
    either mounted on a tripod or in the camcorder's hot-shoe.

    Most often motor noise is carried through the camcorder's body to the
    internal microphone's mounting.
     
    Tony Morgan, Oct 9, 2003
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  7. James Lincoln

    Tony Morgan Guest

    The first thing to note is that Sony are the only manufacturer who
    support Digital8.

    IMHO the *only* reason to consider Digital8 is if you have a lot of
    8mm/Hi8 tapes and no 8mm/Hi8 camcorder to replay them on [1].

    I've also heard that the latest Digital8 camcorders don't play 8mm/Hi8
    tapes at all well (if at all). Which suggests to me that Sony intend in
    the not too distant future to discontinue t support Digital8.

    [1] If you've got your old 8mm/Hi8 camcorder and want to
    transfer to miniDV then most Sony camcorders (other make
    as well I believe) that have DV-in provide a "pass-through"
    facility permitting analogue to be recorded onto the miniDV
    tape.
     
    Tony Morgan, Oct 9, 2003
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  8. Thanks for your comments, I havent yet decided which to go for; so anyone
    else with an opinion please offer it ;)
     
    James Lincoln, Oct 9, 2003
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    Dave Hall Guest

    I have a Canon DV600i and the only regret that I have is that I should have
    got the 650i as it has a better facility for taking stills as well.

    I should reconsider the DV in capability as it is very useful for archiving
    important tapes back to tape to save at a much higher quality than a DVD.

    The noise can be a problem but only in a silent environment. It seems that
    the camera is so sensitive that it turns up the gain on the mic if it can't
    'hear' sound. I don't find this a problem since I generally add music
    and/or a voice-over commentary etc.

    When I video the badgers and foxes that visit us, it is usually in a quiet
    room so you hear a hum. If it offends, cut it and have video only! Sorted!
     
    Dave Hall, Oct 10, 2003
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    cobbler Guest

    canon mv600 is 308 at amazon and the 600i is 386
    you may regret not getting dv in and anologue in
     
    cobbler, Oct 10, 2003
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    Barry Webber Guest

    Woops!
    I managed to post my suggestion as a new post above - "What about the
    Panasonic NV-DS60B".
    Sorry about that!
    --
     
    Barry Webber, Oct 12, 2003
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  12. James Lincoln

    foldface Guest

    I am looking at purchasing my first camcorder and have narrowed down
    ditto, except I'm considering just the MV600i

    I've heard about the sound and the external microphone seems an acceptable
    alternative.
    However I've also heard/read that:
    - Its not good in poor light situations.
    - The image stabalizer isn't up to much

    The latter 2 problems seem like show stoppers if they are true. Whats considered
    a poor light situation? In a poorly lit living room? On a busy street at
    night?

    Whats the best budget buy that addresses these problems?

    reviews seen on:
    http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/canon_mv600i.html
    http://www.reviewcentre.com/review24507.html
     
    foldface, Oct 14, 2003
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