Which sold more in its day..Nikon F2 or Canon AE-1 ?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Jim Waggener, Aug 26, 2003.

  1. Jim Waggener

    Jim Waggener Guest

    I realize they were two different animals. I'm just curious which camera you
    think sold the most units during their respective years of production.
     
    Jim Waggener, Aug 26, 2003
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    Fritz Dold Guest

    I read somewhere that the AE-1 was the best-selling SLR ever with 1 million
    (or was it 10 million?).

    The F2 was a pro camera.

    Fritz
     
    Fritz Dold, Aug 26, 2003
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  3. Jim Waggener

    jav Guest

    The comparison is similar to comparing a BMW 745iL
    or Mercedes S500 to a Nissan Altima or Honda Accord.

    All are excellent cars, but appeal to completely different
    markets. The AE-1 was a consumer camera, the F2 was
    designed for the serious amateur or professional.

    Either one could take great photos, but the construction
    quality and durability of the F2 are legend.
     
    jav, Aug 26, 2003
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    Hickster0711 Guest

    I read just recently that the AE-1 was the best selling SLR ever made. But I
    can't remember where I read it Sorry. Bob Hickey
     
    Hickster0711, Aug 27, 2003
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  5. AE-1's outsild F2 by a large margin. Not even close.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Aug 27, 2003
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  6. AE-1's and then the AE-1P (program) sold for many more years and at a
    much lower price than the Nikon F2. Used F2 bodies in "like new"
    condition at their lowest sold for over $200 used, while a new AE-1P
    with a 50mm F1.8 lens sold for $105 at KMART.


    Geoff.
     
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Aug 27, 2003
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    Slingblade Guest


    The question is, was the AE-1 or the AE-1 Program the best seller? Or
    are those statistics clumping BOTH models into the same category? I
    personally believe the AE-1P model outsold the AE-1, but I could be
    wrong.
     
    Slingblade, Aug 27, 2003
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  8. Jim Waggener

    Slingblade Guest

    I don't ever remember seeing an AE-1P with lens that cheap at K-Mart.
    In fact, I actually bought my FD 28mm f2.8 at K-mart, and I paid
    nearly $100.00 for it there. That's when it sold for about about
    $20.00 less via mail order, but I wanted it right away.
     
    Slingblade, Aug 27, 2003
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    Jim Phelps Guest

    Better question is which sold more, the Nikon F-2 or the Canon F-1?



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    Ken Cashion Guest

    I think this falls under knowing which question to ask to get
    the information one is seeking.
    Figuring out the wording of the question is usually the
    hardest part. :eek:)

    Ken Cashion
     
    Ken Cashion, Aug 27, 2003
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  11. That would be a difficult one to call. Canon sold their F-1 as
    competetion for the Nikon F. When Nikon upgraded to (among other things)
    a battery inside the camera, faster shutter, etc, they called it the F2.
    When they upgraded the F2 to an electronic shutter they called it the
    F3.

    Canon never changed the name, they upgraded the F-1 several times to
    keep in competetion to the F,F2,F3 cameras, but it was always sold as
    an F-1.

    If you split the sales figures for each model of the F-1, you probably
    would be correct. If you did not, then I expect that Canon sold more
    F-1's than Nikon sold F2's.

    Note that there were different F2's also. The first year (1972?) cameras
    were different internaly than the later ones. The finders were also
    different. Besides the difference in the photocells and display (F2S,
    F2Sb, F2A, F2As), there were two different versions of the F2
    photomic (DP-1).

    The first version used a circular stip of plastic coated with a
    resistive element, the second used what Nikon called a "digital" meter.
    It was a set of fixed resistors connected to switch contacts. These were
    made in 1976 just before the switch to AI.



    Geoff.
     
    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Aug 28, 2003
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  12. Not true. I don't have the relevant magazines in front of me, but IIRC
    the Nikon F was released in 1959, and the Canon F1 in 1971 (at the same time
    as Nikon's F2, against which it fared better). The F's competition came from
    a Canonflex, which was poorly marketed in the West compared to the Nikon,
    which had gained a reputation through wartime photographers in Korea. The
    Canonflex was discontinued very, very quickly and Canon apparently admitted
    defeat in the pro SLR stakes for some dozen years.

    I can only assume that the AE-1 sold more than the F2 for the simple reason
    that it was a consumer camera, with enough automation and bang-per-buck to
    make it appeal as a backup body for the busy pro. Without looking folks'
    high horses in the mouth, I think sales figures throughout camera history
    will show consumer models outselling our vaunted classics by a huge margin.
    I know one thing for certain- more people ask after used AE-1s than any F2
    variant, and probably more than any "pro" manual focus SLRs. The secondhand
    market is full of hobbyists and students who can't or don't want to fork out
    for pro cameras.
     
    Martin Francis, Aug 28, 2003
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  13. There's no doubt in my mind that the AE-1 outsold all of the F2 models
    by decent sized multiplier, and that's not counting the AE-1 program,
    which sold even more units.

    A more interesting question comes to mind, though. Over the years,
    have more photographs been taken with F2's or AE-1's?
     
    Michael Benveniste, Aug 29, 2003
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    Jerry L. Guest

    The Canon AE-1 may have sold thousands more,
    but my bet is that more Nikon F2 bodies are still working in 2003,
    where the Canon AE-1s are kind of 'shelf' items. (Really tough to
    mount those EF lenses on the AE-1 bodies, huh?)
    = = =
    SNIP
     
    Jerry L., Aug 29, 2003
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    B. Skelton Guest

    You'll lose that bet.

    I was recently at a concert and saw at least three people who still use
    AE-1's without any type of shelves mounted to them. There were no shortage
    of Nikons either, but I didn't, see anybody using F2's with new G-type
    Nikkors. ;-)

    Bruce
     
    B. Skelton, Aug 29, 2003
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    Jim Nason Guest

    Far more with the F2......



    I worked in mass merchandiser in the NorthEast during th late 70's and
    early 80s..... Lets just say that on a one Week ad I would sell 30
    AE1-Ps' out of my store. I might sell 15 AE-1's.. The idea was to
    keep the price points under 400 bucks. We also sold the Canon A-1
    (about 5 a year... Canon gave these to the store for nearly nothing as
    image bulder... sat in the showcase as a display, but rarely sold),
    the full line of Minoltas (x700 and down), the Nikon FG, EM and FM
    (the only Nikons at the time selling for under 400 bucks..except the
    FE, but we chose not to carry it)... Pentax ME Super and K1000.
    We would sell 15 K1000;s on a one week sale, 8 FG's, 12 or 13 X700's,
    and 4 or 5 ME Supers and a half dozen EM's. The rest of the Minolta
    line was a non player. I probably sold 10 FM's a year (it was the
    corporate buyers favorite camera (the F3 really, but no way could we
    sell an 800 dollar camera.) (These numbers are from one store out
    of an 80 store chain.... I was the number three grossing photo
    department in the chain)

    Who brought the film back and bought more film? Over time it was the
    K1000 user, the A1 user and X700 user. Canon was marketing the
    AE1-P as "any one can use this and do great photography". NOT... some
    did, but is was an SLR with signicant automatic limitations to cameras
    today. I spent all lot of time trying to help my AE1-P purchasers get
    better phots. I expect most AE1-P's ended up in a closet and are still
    there today. Canon introduced the SureShot... and took the world by
    storm. I could sell 70 of these a week in one store.. and these
    people took roll after roll. I sold a lot of these to customers who
    owned AE1-P's and AE-1s The took much pictures with these fully
    automate autofocus cameras. .... I sold them a ton of film...(Fuji
    also got in with Canon and gave the store significant kick backs for
    every Canon camera sold... and paid for the three free processing
    coupons we gave each customer who bought a camera... guess why we
    stocked Fuji?)

    Meanwhile at that time, the majority of pros where using medium format
    and Nikons..There was certainly an Canon F1 contigent but they were
    small.. and growing and growing....

    JIm

     
    Jim Nason, Aug 30, 2003
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