Who's using Sony PMW-EX3 Camera with Vegas Pro?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Steve King, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Steve King

    Steve King Guest

    A client has contacted me to get from a producer of a cable show his company
    sponsors some footage shot with a Sony PMWEX3/ XDCAM EX camera.. Sony site
    says it shoots to MPeg 2 4:2:0 files. Can I use those directly in Vegas?
    Convert them to something I can use with acceptable conversion losses. I
    think my client wants to use the shots (of industrial fabrication equipment
    doing its/their things) in some product demo videos for sales people and
    Internet display. Thanks.

    Steve KIng
     
    Steve King, Feb 14, 2013
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    Frank Guest

    Recent versions of Vegas Pro support the Sony XDCAM EX format.

    If my old brain serves me correctly, Sony introduced the XDCAM EX
    format, which is 35 Mbps 8-bit 4:2:0 YUV MPEG-2, with the PMW-EX1 and
    PMW-EX3 camcorders back in mid-2007.

    Aside from Sony, some other companies, such as JVC, also now offer
    products that can record in XDCAM EX format.
     
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    Brian Guest

    Out of interest is there a reason why Vegas Pro does not support compiling
    in Xvid and vidX video formats?
    I am finding this video format used a lot for short video files on the
    internet. Xvid is becoming more popular as there is no licence fee to pay
    so many media devices support this format.
     
    Brian, Feb 15, 2013
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    Frank Guest

    Xvid (formerly "XviD"), and the original DivX codec as well, have a
    questionable pedigree, being based upon the MPEG-4 Part 2 codec and
    "community developed" (and in the case of the old DivX codec, being
    based upon some stolen Microsoft code; specifically their MPEG-4
    Version 3 codec). Sony, as a large multi-national for-profit
    corporation, has little to no interest in supporting technologies that
    aren't used by major, recognized equipment manufacturers, and which
    might be patent encumbered and which are primarily used by the
    "hobbyist crowd".

    Same situation with the Matroska (.mkv) container format. A company
    might choose to utilize, for example, the industry-recognized MXF
    (Material eXchange Format) container format, or even DPX (Digital
    Picture eXchange), for their sparkling new high-end camcorder, but not
    MKV.

    Companies such as Sony have a certain mindset when it comes to audio
    and video codecs, so many of which are patent encumbered, usually by
    multiple patent holders. A company such as Sony would much rather
    license (that is, pay a fee to a legitimate patent holder or "patent
    collective" or patent pool such as MPEG-LA) for the right to utilize a
    particular codec, than risk a lawsuit.

    If you were to purchase an XDCAM EX format camcorder, for example, you
    can be certain that Sony has paid the necessary MPEG license fees.

    In contrast, when you download a "free" MPEG Layer III audio encoder
    such as LAME or an MPEG-4 Part 10 AVC / H.264 video encoder such as
    x264 or even a program such as the VideoLAN VLC media player, you can
    be certain that the authors have violated patent rights because they
    have not licensed the underlying technology from the rights holders.

    The same situation exists with regard to the HTML5 audio and video
    elements and the support of various codecs by the different browsers,
    not to mention that some companies (Apple, for example, with regard to
    MPEG-4 patents) have a financial interest in certain of these
    technologies.
    There's a difference, sir, between "no licence fee to pay" and simply
    not paying a licence fee. :)
     
    Frank, Feb 15, 2013
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    Steve King Guest

    Thanks, Frank. I always enjoy your posts. Including the patent issues you
    discuss in later posts in this thread. How do you keep up? ;-)

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Feb 15, 2013
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    Frank Guest

    You're very welcome. Wish that I had more resources to devote to this.
    Thank you.
    Patents? Did someone say patents?

    Red sues Sony over patents, wants disputed F-series cameras
    'destroyed' (updated)
    By Steve Dent posted Feb 14th, 2013 at 5:29 AM
    http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/14/red-sues-sony-over-patents-wants-offending-f-series-cameras-de/

    RED Sues Arri (No One Wins). Now They Have Sights Set on Sony and the
    F65, F55, and F5 Cameras - NoFilmSchool
    By Joe Marine 02.14.13 @ 4:22PM
    http://nofilmschool.com/2013/02/red-sues-arri-sony-lawsuit-f65-f55-f5-camera/
    I don't sleep much. :)
     
    Frank, Feb 16, 2013
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    Brian Guest

    Thanks Frank.

    I had a feeling that was not correct. I should have written DivX instead of
    xidX.

    It might interest you thar sony's DVD players use to support DivX but when
    I brought a Sony Blu-ray player I found that instead of supporting DivX it
    supported XviD. I suspect that Sont were cutting costs by not having to
    play a licence fee for the DivX format.

    Apart from FLV that is used for YouTube videos I've noticed that mp4 and
    XviD are very popular formats for video files.

    One way around the problem is to compile the video in the highest format
    such as AVCHC and use a converter to convert it into a different video
    format
     
    Brian, Feb 16, 2013
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    mkujbida Guest


    Steve, I've tried using high bitrate MPEG-2 files from my Tricaster in Vegas and it struggles with them. Mind you this is a lowly i3 so a good i7 should be much better.
    If you can get the source files (i.e. the original card or a copy of what was on the card - ask for the BPAV folder), then you can use XDCAM ClipBrowser to rewrap them to MXF format which Vegas loves.
    I got tired of searching for this utility and now keep it on my Dropbox account at https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20488019/XDCAM_ClipBrowser_V2.6.0.zip

    Mike
     
    mkujbida, Feb 16, 2013
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    Steve King Guest

    Excellent. Many thanks! I've downloaded the XDCAM ClipBrowser and
    installed it. Good looking GUI. I should receive the video files on
    Monday. The producer sending the files, 8+ GB on a flash drive, referred to
    them as the Raw files. I assume this means the source files. I'll be
    reviewing these files with my client to determine how he wants to use the
    footage. Probably will be used in both product demo videos for sales reps
    and likely product clips on their web site. I'll keep the group posted on
    how it all works out.

    Steve
     
    Steve King, Feb 16, 2013
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