Why do Nikon bother producing 'non-printable' manuals??

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Dave, Aug 15, 2008.

  1. Dave

    Dave Guest

    I wanted to get an electronic version of the D3's manual.

    I get to a page:

    http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=14438

    where it says:

    "To protect against Copyright Infringement, Nikon offers two versions of
    our current product manuals. A fully printable manual for existing
    owners (which requires a valid, North American, Nikon camera serial
    number and registration to download) and a non-printable version for
    others (no serial number required).If you need an account, click here"

    We then have two links:

    * Printable, Requires Serial Number - File Size ~ 17.3MB
    * Non-printable, No Serial Number required - File Size ~ 17.3 MB

    There's then a link to download acrobat reader if one needs it.

    My D3 is registered in the UK, not USA, so I downloaded the
    non-printable PDF on my Sony laptop, which runs Solaris x86 and uses the
    Evince Document Viewer 2.22.2 to read PDF files. The D3 manual prints
    just fine.

    It also prints out fine using Adobe's acrobat reader on my Sun Blade
    2000, which runs Solaris 10 update 4.

    Given the Adobe's non-printable protection system is next to useless,
    and even Adobe's acrobat can print the D3 manual on Solaris, why do
    Nikon even bother with this?

    I'm sure anyone wanting to abuse Nikon's copyright would not be deterred
    by this - it just might be a slight inconvenience at the most. For me,
    on both my computers, which both run Solaris, it is not even a slight
    inconvenience.


    Dave
     
    Dave, Aug 15, 2008
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    This post is off-topic for this newsgroup, rec.photo.equipment.35mm,
    which is concerned with film cameras that use 35mm film, not digital
    cameras that look like 35mm SLRs.

    Please use an appropriate newsgroup for postings on digital cameras. One
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    rec.photo.equipment.digital
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    rec.photo.equipment.digital.slr-system


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    David Nebenzahl, Aug 15, 2008
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  3. Dave

    Noons Guest

    Dave wrote,on my timestamp of 16/08/2008 5:32 AM:

    One of the puzzling things about all this idiotic
    charade is: who the heck makes non-North American
    Nikon gear? Canon, perhaps?

    ghostscript. Although it still baffles me why folks print manuals:
    mine are in a dedicated folder in an online source where I can
    access them from just about anywhere, whenever I need them.
    Save a tree: do not print manuals!
    sssshhhhhhh! Don't tell them that or they'll
    pull out all manuals and then we'll be up the proverbial!...


    Good for you. Now: shooooooosh!
    :)
     
    Noons, Aug 15, 2008
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  4. Dave

    Dave Guest

    That is more a measure if your competence with Solaris than of either
    Solaris or Firefox. The fact is, Solaris is a non-trivial bit of
    software. It is also pretty easy to install firefox, although it comes
    with Solaris anyway. I've never used OS X myself, but I get the feeling
    it is probably more user-friendly than Solaris. I note Apple are now
    putting the Zeta File System (ZFS) into OS X. ZFS was developed by Sun
    for Solaris.
    Would OS X "just work" on my Sony laptop? Solaris runs fine on an iMac,
    but I believe it quite difficult to run OS X on non-Apple (i.e.
    reasonably priced) hardware.

    I'm sure OS X does sometimes "just work" on your Apple, like Solaris
    does sometimes "just work" and even Windows. But I'm sure you get
    problems with OS X too. (As a matter of interest, does the Nikon D3
    manual 'just print' on your OS X system?)

    I'm not suggesting Solaris is the most suitable operating system for
    photographic purposes. The Nikon NX software does not run under Solaris
    for a start. But Gimp can open .NEF files.

    What I can honestly say is that Solaris works well for me. I can browse
    the web, read my email, copy images off my Nikon D3 35 mm camera, write
    reports, develop software and all without spending a penny on software.
    And I can also print 'non-printable' manuals!!


    Dave
     
    Dave, Aug 15, 2008
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  5. Dave

    Chris H Guest

    It's probably because Nikon USA are a bunch of prats.
     
    Chris H, Aug 16, 2008
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  6. Dave

    tony cooper Guest

    It's more likely to be because Nikon USA discourages the purchase of
    "gray market" Nikons that don't come with manuals or don't come with
    manuals in English.
     
    tony cooper, Aug 16, 2008
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  7. Dave

    Dave Guest

    A far more effective way to stop these 'gray imports' would be to sell
    the products for the same price in each country.

    The only reason I did not get my D3 from outside the UK was that is was
    more money than I was willing to risk. But for a £500-£1000 lens I would
    not think twice about it if the savings were sufficiently large.
     
    Dave, Aug 16, 2008
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  8. Dave

    tony cooper Guest

    I don't see how either Nikon or Nikon USA can control the retail
    pricing of their products. In the US, sales are through distributors
    (camera stores, retail outlets, etc). "Gray market" Nikons are also
    available through distributors - and sometimes the same distributors
    that sell the Nikon USA products - but don't have the same warranty
    features.
    I don't know how the market works in the UK, but I have noticed that
    many UK residents say they pay more for the same basic model than do
    the US buyers. I would think, though, that this is the retail
    structure and not the Nikon pricing structure. I don't know for sure,
    though.
     
    tony cooper, Aug 16, 2008
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  9. Dave

    measekite Guest

    THAT IS SO STUPID. CANON DOES SOMETHING EQUALLY STUPID BY PLACING A
    DIAGONAL VERBIAGE ACROSS THE PAGE MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO READ IF PRINTED.

    The only people who really have an advantage in printing out an extra
    copy of these manuals are those who are either buyers of the camera or
    who are interested in getting one and want to know as much as possible.

    There really is not purpose for anyone to duplicate their manual for
    profit do the entire thing is every so dumb by the ever so paranoid lawyers.
     
    measekite, Aug 16, 2008
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  10. Dave

    measekite Guest

    With many of these greedy mfg it is like a cat and mouse game. Who is
    going to **** who first. A better way is for the mfg to be fair and
    they will find many more reasonable customers that have not advantage
    and no intention of trying to **** a fair minded mfg.
     
    measekite, Aug 16, 2008
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  11. Dave

    Chris H Guest

    That is a reasonable point. If you have a UK D3 you get the manual from
    the UK site.

    Does the US have a problem with gray imports?
     
    Chris H, Aug 16, 2008
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  12. Dave

    Dave Guest


    The list prices in the US are lower than the UK. That D3 buffer memory
    upgrade is a good example - $500 (around £250) in the USA, and £352 in
    the UK. That is about 45% more in the UK than the USA.

    I don't know if it would void a UK warranty, or whether Nikon USA would
    do it, but one could probably ship the D3 to the USA, pay Nikon USA to
    perform the upgrade, then pay to have it shipped back to the UK. The
    £102 saved on the upgrade would easily cover the shipping costs.

    I looked at a lens on Amazon UK and USA and the difference in price was
    quite large between the two Amazon sites. I quite often buy books from
    Amazon USA rather than the UK site, when the saving is substantial -
    I've bought quite a few books over $100 and then the savings can be
    substantial.
     
    Dave, Aug 16, 2008
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  13. Dave

    Dave Cohen Guest

    I feel so much better about this group now I know it's being closely
    monitored and no junk or inappropriate posting will go unchecked.
    But now about those Solaris posts, I thought there were groups for
    those, but what do I know?
    Dave Cohen
     
    Dave Cohen, Aug 16, 2008
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  14. Dave

    tony cooper Guest

    Depends on what you call "a problem". One of the major camera stores
    in the US (B&H Camera) sells Nikons imported through Nikon USA and
    gray market cameras that bypass Nikon USA. The store is very up-front
    about it and tells you if the Nikon item you are ordering is gray
    market or through Nikon USA. The pricing is better on the gray market
    Nikon items.

    Nikon USA will not service or perform warranty work on the gray market
    cameras. B&H, though, offers a limited in-store warranty. See:
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/GreyMarketStatic.jsp

    Where it becomes a problem is with less honest sellers who offer gray
    market items without informing the customer. The customer isn't aware
    that they purchased a gray market item until they need service. These
    sellers don't provide service.

    It's like most other things: an informed buyer may decide that the
    savings offset the risk. It's not informing the buyer that's the
    problem.
     
    tony cooper, Aug 16, 2008
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  15. tony wrote on Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:14:50 -0400:
    Don't British buyers pay prices including 17% (?) VAT tax? I admit that
    does not account for all the discrepancies. I've seen a lot of British
    gadgets priced in almost the same number of Pounds as the things cost in
    the US in dollars.

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    James Silverton, Aug 16, 2008
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  16. Dave

    Dave Guest

    If you fancy having a printed copy of the manual, whether or not you own
    a D3, you can get it from the European site, so US uses can bypass all
    that rubbish.

    There is no need for me to be logged into the European site to download
    a D3 manual that prints. There are not a non-printable version on Nikon
    Europe.


    Nice, I see they are very upfront about it, also mentioning that gray
    import film might not be kept under the conditions US film would have
    been. Very honest.

    Exactly. I chose not to go the gray route with the D3, despite quite
    large savings being possible. But I'll certainly do it on less expensive
    items.

    I find one of the most irritating US/UK problems is with a piece of
    software called Mathematica.

    http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html

    A windows version of that in the UK is £2035 + taxes. Ignoring taxes,
    that would be $4070 in the USA. But the US price is $2495. So those in
    the US, if they bought it in the UK, would have to pay an extra $1575.
    That is one hell of a premium!

    It is a piece of software, which can be delivered electronically. In the
    event of support being needed one goes to the company in the USA. It
    really is hard to see how they justify such a large difference in price.

    But they get you as the product is not licensed for use outside the
    country where it is bought for. Software is clearly different from
    hardware, as they can restrict you via a license, which makes it illegal
    to use it. I doubt Nikon could license a camera for use only in one country!
     
    Dave, Aug 16, 2008
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  17. nope.

    Are you a cop ?
     
    Maurice Blanchard, Aug 16, 2008
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  18. Why not? It's a total no-brainer.
    Nope.


    --
    "In 1964 Barry Goldwater declared: 'Elect me president, and I
    will bomb the cities of Vietnam, defoliate the jungles, herd the
    population into concentration camps and turn the country into a
    wasteland.' But Lyndon Johnson said: 'No! No! No! Don't you dare do
    that. Let ME do it.'"

    - Characterization (paraphrased) of the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson
    presidential race by Professor Irwin Corey, "The World's Foremost
    Authority".
     
    David Nebenzahl, Aug 17, 2008
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  19. Dave

    Paul Furman Guest

    Pricing is different by country. An online friend happens to also be a
    Nikon distributor in South Africa showed me a price list from his
    supplier, his wholesale prices were a lot more than US retail.

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    Paul Furman, Aug 17, 2008
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  20. Dave

    Chris H Guest

    I can see why Nikon US would get upset about that.
    That sounds reasonable. I can see what the problem is.
    And of course the customers will then go to Nikon US...
    I agree.

    What happens if I move to the USA. I have several Nikon Cameras, bought
    in the UK though Official Nikon UK channels and registered with Nikon.
    Can I get Nikon US to service/support them?

    Would it work the other way... if you moved to the UK with your Nikons
    purchased though official Nikon US channels?
     
    Chris H, Aug 17, 2008
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