Why do Photoshop users love WACOM tablets so much???

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by TJM, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. TJM

    TJM Guest

    I've been gettin into Photoshop CS and realize I will need to invest in a
    graphics tablet.

    I been reading posts in here and most diehard Photoshop users seem to swear by
    the WACOMs. Are they that good....and why?

    I am looking for a tablet that is very durable, has built-in WiFi or Bluetooth,
    and has many capabilities in the pen. Has anyone used a Tablet PC for editing
    in Photoshop? I was thinking of buying a Tablet PC for other reasons but it
    seems like it could be capable of being a powerful graphics tablet as well?
     
    TJM, Jan 26, 2005
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    Ed Clarke Guest

    They are well built and the software works. Other manufacturers try to
    cut costs and end up shooting themselves in the foot. After all, a legal
    copy of Photoshop is lots of money - not a hobbyist program. Why spend
    the money on a complex program and then hobble your employees (or yourself)
    with inferior hardware?

    Labor costs are almost always going to be enormously more than your hardware
    costs. Spend a little more on hardware to get a lot more out of your wetware.
    Consider also that the Intuos line (probably the commercial "standard") is
    less money than the CRT display AND CALIBRATION HARDWARE/SOFTWARE required
    to use it. If you are going to use an adequate (for color production) LCD
    display, the price difference between an Intuos3 and the cheapest tablet
    that works at all just disappears into the noise.

    Bottom line - it's more profitable in the long term to buy high quality
    production equipment.
     
    Ed Clarke, Jan 26, 2005
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    Mike Russell Guest

    Another plus: WACOM supports even their oldest hardware with new driver
    versions. My oldest pad is 10 years old and still going strong.
     
    Mike Russell, Jan 26, 2005
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    Tom Ellliott Guest

    I haft the ArtPad II Tablet model KT-0405-r, I forgot when I got it but I
    think I got it to work on my old (since gone)CompuAdd 386. and have up
    graded the drivers to work on my PentiumII450, WinXP. Pressure senistive,
    eraser and so on.
    Sometime I forget and use it 100% of the time and don't use the mouse at all
    on my graphics machine.
    Yours,
    Tom
     
    Tom Ellliott, Jan 26, 2005
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    Hecate Guest

    Yeah, I've got one of those too. Works fine - I think the only thing
    that will retire it completely is when computers no longer have a
    serial port. Meantime I now have an Intuos A4 and my partner has the
    old Artpad. Rock solid build quality and good drivers are what make
    Wacom's the best.
     
    Hecate, Jan 27, 2005
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    Drifter Guest

    --->snip<---
    I have several devices that use a serial cable (GPS, Programmable
    Radio Scanner, etc) and my new laptop has no serial port. Fortunately
    you can now get one of these...
    http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/Sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=517161

    it says it's for PDAs but in truth it just creates another serial port
    on the computer and has worked great for everything I've needed it
    for.


    Drifter
    "I've been here, I've been there..."
     
    Drifter, Jan 27, 2005
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    Peadge Guest

    As I've said, before, Etch-A-Sketch 6.0 rocks!

    Peadge :)
     
    Peadge, Jan 27, 2005
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    Clyde Guest

    Well, that isn't universally true. I have a Graphire that I have quit
    using. I used to use it exclusively and it still works.

    The real advantage of a tablet (in my view) is relative placement and
    variable pen pressure. Both of those are great if you are drawing or
    painting in Photoshop. I don't do either of those; I just edit photos.

    So, I found the relative placement of the pointer to not be that big of
    advantage. It just didn't help that much.

    The pen pressure feature actually got in the way of my photo editing. I
    use the Healing Brush and Rubberstamp tools a lot. That is mostly to get
    rid of spots and annomolies. The Healing Brush for most of them and the
    Rubberstamp for those on the edges of things. The variable pen pressure
    always gives you a variable sized hit with these tools. Most of the time
    I don't want a variable sized hit and controlling that with the pen
    wasn't accurate enough. (Then again a better one than the Graphire might
    have helped. Also a more artistic hand might have helped too.) I got
    tired of redoing hits because the first hit wasn't hard/big enough.

    With a mouse, I know exactly how big my 'brush' tip is all the time. A
    simple click will do exactly what I know it will do. I can still quickly
    change the size with my left hand on the [ and ] keys. I feel I get a
    lot more control out of my mouse than I did out of the pen.

    So, think seriously about how you use Photoshop before you jump into pen
    use. Think very seriously before you tie yourself to the limitations of
    a tablet PC.

    BTW, most tablet PC aren't know for their highly accurate LCD colors.
    They also aren't very big monitors. I would bet that you would have a
    lot of trouble with color management with a tablet PC. To me that would
    be a huge problem.

    Also think seriously about getting a Bluetooth input device. I've never
    heard of anyone who likes those. Other wireless is usually much better.
    I use a Logitech wireless MX700 mouse that is responsive, fast, and
    accurate. It isn't Bluetooth.

    Clyde
     
    Clyde, Jan 27, 2005
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    Fred Elbel Guest

    Clyde:

    Thanks for your comments on tablets. Regarding Bluetooth, I use a
    Micro$oft Bluetooth wireless mouse because of the wrist angle and
    finger placement - necessary to prevent tendonitis for me.

    Does anyone know if any of the tablets are compatible with such a
    mouse? In other words, can you quickly switch between the tablet and
    the BT mouse?

    Fred
     
    Fred Elbel, Jan 27, 2005
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  10. But you can turn on/off pressure in Photoshop cant you.
    I used a friends tablet and for doing masks and selections it is a million
    miles better than a mouse
     
    Dr Hackenbush, Jan 27, 2005
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    Hecate Guest

    Thanks. Bookmarked :)
     
    Hecate, Jan 27, 2005
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    Hecate Guest

    So switch off the pressure sensitivity and switch it on again when you
    need it.
     
    Hecate, Jan 27, 2005
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    Hecate Guest

    You can use the mouse in exactly the same way you always have. I use
    an Intuos A4 tablet and a Logitech Cordless trackball. I have the
    Intuos set to only cover the main screen area, whilst the trackball
    can move across both my monitors. I use the trackball to select tools
    from the toolboxes on the second monitor, the pen to sue the tools.
     
    Hecate, Jan 27, 2005
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    Clyde Guest

    Yes, but what would be the point? I didn't find that I ever needed it.
    The pointer placement with the pen also wasn't an advantage, therefore
    the tablet didn't do anything for me.

    Maybe it's just me, but I haven't been too crazy about selection methods
    that would take advantage of the pen. Using the Pen tool and the Magic
    Lasso to trace around something never selected it right for me. I've
    always had to do a lot of editing of that edge. I also do a fair bit of
    selecting that has different levels of opacity. I've found many other
    tools and methods to work better for me.

    For example, to erase the background around someone the biggest problem
    is around the hair. I usually start by making a mask from a channel. It
    seems like LAB's "b" is often the case, but not always. Then I edit that
    mask. Yes, I use the Brush tool a fair bit and that should be a great
    tool for a tablet. I just haven't found it to be better than the mouse.

    I'm sure part of the reason for my preference is that fact that I can't
    draw anything. My art teacher in college concluded that I should stick
    with photography. I'm sure if you CAN draw, a nice tablet would be great.

    My point was that a good Wacom tablet should be a great tool and a fine
    asset for the vast majority of Photoshop users. Just not ALL Photoshop
    users.

    "Know yourself."

    Clyde
     
    Clyde, Jan 28, 2005
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    Stephan Guest

    I don't understand what you are talking about..
    I am a photographer, spending many (too many) entire days with my stylus
    in my hand.
    Even if you only use the Healing brush, the pen is much more precise
    when it comes to make selection, the mouse feels like a bar of soap! As
    for the size of the brush, as very subtle rotation of my thumb pushes on
    one of the buttons and opens the brush menu.
    Also, I work with three monitors and I just love being able to go
    through 3904 pixels without having to lift my wrist from its little
    silicone cushion. Try that with your mouse...

    Stephan
     
    Stephan, Jan 29, 2005
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  16. (with possible editing):

    ....snip
    Stephan,

    If you don't mind my asking, how do you do that? (work with 3
    monitors)

    Thanks,
     
    L. M. Rappaport, Jan 30, 2005
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    Ryadia Guest

    Some systems allow for 2 graphic cards. One could concievably be a dual port
    affair. I'm not sure of the finer details but in theory it *could* work.

    Doug
     
    Ryadia, Jan 30, 2005
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    Hunt Guest

    In a similar setup, I use both the Intuos II and the M$ wheel-mouse. I haven't
    even unboxed my Intuos mouse, but did use the Intuos I's mouse, and liked the
    M$ better. There is no problem with either my workstation, or laptop with both
    devices up and running on all monitors. The Wacoms do not mind anymore, though
    this was a touch of a problem back in the earlier days of ArtZII serial, but
    that was many, many years ago. I do not know exactly about the OP's Bluetooth
    mouse, but would assume that it would exist just fine with a Wacom, especially
    a current one. Then, the operator just uses the device that they wish, for
    what they wish.

    Hunt
     
    Hunt, Jan 30, 2005
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    Hecate Guest

    Wacom mice, I find are really useful. I use them as paperweights :)
     
    Hecate, Jan 31, 2005
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    Hecate Guest

    There is also a Matrox Triplehead card.
     
    Hecate, Jan 31, 2005
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