why do you guys still use film?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Mike Henley, May 20, 2004.

  1. Mike Henley

    Bandicoot Guest

    Same thing.


    Bandicoot, May 24, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I'd have to go downstairs and dig through ... my laziness quotient is
    close to 1 right now. (Brunch does that, Victoria Day here in Canada).
    Unfortunately, these days must trek into the downtown area to search for
    classical music of any value. Out here in the 'urbs, the "classical"
    sections are for people who want gay melodies for their cars. Deutche
    Gramaphon and Phillips classic labels are hard to find, except in the city.

    Alan Browne, May 24, 2004
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    Jay Guest

    Its funny how life can have recurring themes...

    I was on the phone with my mother this weekend and she relayed a story
    to me that I thought I'd share. She went to a very small wedding of a
    poor friend of hers. They didn't have money for a professional
    photographer, but were not concerned as most people would bring thier
    own cameras. They made sure to tell everyone that since they didn't
    have a pro, they wanted copies of everyone's prints.

    One of the relatives pictures didn't come out because they gave the
    camera to the six year old to take pictures and she spent the day
    snapping pictures of people's feet. The bride's brother produced one
    print off of his digital camera with the statement "I didn't like
    anything I shot, so I deleted them." They got this same statement from
    2 other people.

    It turns out the 27 shot disposable that my mother brought that was
    processed at Wal-mart will be the wedding album.
    Jay, May 24, 2004
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    Almost all digital shots taken today will be gone a few years from now.
    Many will be gone a few seconds or minutes after they are taken.
    Mxsmanic, May 25, 2004
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    Barney Guest

    (Ted Azito) wrote in
    I like film. Though I have to say about digital storage, I have CDs from
    the early 80s that are still going strong today.

    Barney, Jun 5, 2004
  6. The life of film, like digital depends on several things. How it's
    processed and how it's stored. I have 50 plus year old slides that
    are in great shape and I have 15 year old slides that are ...
    well...not in very good shape with color shifts and fading.

    Film that has been properly processed and stored has a very long
    lifetime. CDs of good quality, can also last a very long time, but
    like film, I have some good old CDs and some not so good, relatively
    recent ones.

    Most people just grab the edges of a CD or DVD and pull up which is
    hard on CDs and a killer for DVDs. Most store them horizontally which
    may work OK, but it's better to store them on edge.

    Purchasing CDs, or DVDs on a spindle is fine, but don't store them on
    one.That is one of the worst things you can do to them along with heat
    and humidity. Besides, the thin jewel cases are only 5 to 10 cents.

    When it comes to much beyond 25 years Digital is not just dubious, it
    is an unknown where the age can only be simulated and they have to
    hope the models are accurate.

    OTOH film that is handled a lot could benefit with a good backup.
    There are a number of libraries and other organizations frantically
    trying to replace old microfilm which is becoming unusable.
    Many old films (on a celluloid base) are being rescued as that stuff
    is not only fragile, but some what dangerous.

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    Roger Halstead, Jun 5, 2004
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    Lewis Lang Guest

    Subject: Re: ; still use film? Consider-Marilyn Monroe
    Those CDs are probably music CDs which use a glass impression to make the bits,
    the recordable/rewritiable computer/etc. data CDs/DVDs are not the same
    technology, they use dyes which fade at a much much faster rate, particularly
    for the CD-RWs. Do not be deceived...
    Lewis Lang, Jun 7, 2004
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    Barney Guest

    (Lewis Lang) wrote in
    Oh yea, I forgot about that!

    Barney, Jun 9, 2004
  9. Mike Henley

    Lewis Lang Guest

    Subject: Re: ; still use film? Consider-Marilyn Monroe
    Lewis Lang, Jun 10, 2004
  10. True, but there are good dyes and the data is still written into the
    metal coating. Rather than the dyes most failures come from the
    metal coating being damaged and that is usually brought about due to
    a poor protective coating on the back.

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    Roger Halstead, Jun 11, 2004
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    Ted Azito Guest

    There's absolutely no data on which to go as far as archivality is
    concerned. It's a guess. And right now, the one truly archival storage
    we have that is commercially available is Mylar punched tape. Roughly
    one gigabyte per square football field of reels stacked on end in
    rows. No doubt a photo-optical process using conventional black and
    white films or Kodachrome could do better, but there's no such
    standard commercially extant, because no one sees the need.

    Archival DOES NOT mean "we copy it over every few years". It DOES NOT
    mean "we don't know we won't be able to get the data somehow". Many
    motion pictures of the silent era exist because discarded crates were
    found containing disposed-of release prints. Many others, however, are
    lost forever. A lot of mainframe software essential to business
    operations and research software projects, which future generations
    will need to understand CS history, are likewise gone.

    It isn't so much lack of understanding of the problem, but a lack of
    concern, because it won't be a problem for corporate America this
    quarter, or the next.
    I have no experience with Debonairs but the 35 was a hole in the
    ground waiting to happen for a lot of years. My father had his best
    friend,his wife, and three kids killed in one. Beech knew what the
    problem(s) were and sat on it for years, "Walter would never have
    tolerated it but Olive Ann cared only for the money".
    Ted Azito, Jun 12, 2004
  12. Mike Henley


    Jan 19, 2015
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    Perhaps this is 11 years after this question was asked, but it's interesting to note here that film is still surviving. As of this date, the Nikon F6 is still being manufactured as the highest end 35mm camera obtainable at this time. An entry level 35mm SLR by Vivitar is still being manufactured, as well as one by Nikon. 35mm, medium format, and large format films are still being manufactured by Kodak, Ilford, Fuji, Agfa, and others. Though, the selection has dwindled, even new developments since 2004 have happened, such as Kodak Ektar. Photography isn't just landscapes and snapshots and journalism and the like, where film has fallen out of favor; it's also a fine art. Major art schools across the United States even today are using film of all types, black and white, color, slide, medium format, large format, etc. Enlargers are still being manufactured and sold. Schools such as School of the Art Institute and Herron School of Art and Design among others use completely analog curriculum for their photography degrees with digital on the side, and maintain state of the art labs with multiple darkrooms and even Kreonite color processors. This is because they are fine art schools, where fine art is made not out of convenience, but out of hard work, skilled hands, and history. Photography shouldn't be a debate about digital vs. analog, because each should be treated separately and used at the artist's discretion, not to be harassed by those who believe in superior art making techniques in their own opinions. To say acrylic paint is superior to oil is a matter of opinion and taste when it comes to art. True artists don't argue about which materials are obsolete and which ones are superior. Film isn't dying. Film photography is finding its spot where it will belong for the future, which is in fine art where all historic processes are appreciated, including digital.
    TNT, Jan 19, 2015
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