Why don't ISP's Stop all Virus's ?!?

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Dave, Jul 30, 2006.

  1. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Why don't ISP's Stop all Virus's ?!?

    You gotta wonder why our Internet Service Providers don't scan email's and
    other file uploads.
    After all, they can buy the same Antivirus software we can !

    So, instead we all have to pay for antivirus software and be burdened with
    in many cases severly impeaded systems that operate at only a fraction of
    the normal speed if
    antivirus software isn't running.

    If I leave my antivirus software on while using my adesso graphics tablet,
    the drawing pointer won't respond to my pen movements normally - it
    hesitates, then jumps - renders my tablet
    useless !

    You don't suppose they have an understood, unspoken agreement to not step on
    the toes of the antivirus software folks do you ? OF COURSE THEY DO !!!

    I complained to my ISP, which is Earthlink and they just blew me off without
    giving me an answer as to why their so called antivirus scans aren't
    catching virus's my antivirus is catching.

    Try asking your Internet Service Providers the same question: "Why the hell
    aren't they catching virus's before they even reach your computer ?" - You
    know - just for a good laugh !
     
    Dave, Jul 30, 2006
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  2. Dear Pair o' Noid,

    The -=good=- ISP's do have an anti-virus and anti-spam check. Most of them
    are imbedded -=in=- sites and forced links that do't respond to a scan of
    the email!

    It is still -=your=- responsibility to take whatever precautions you feel
    necessary.

    Your 'plan' would only increase the cost for an ISP - and - result in
    privacy issues!

    Can't have a perfet world as much as you might whine.
     
    Sir F. A. Rien, Jul 30, 2006
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  3. Dave

    keepout Guest

    Just exactly how much censorship is acceptable to you ?

    My ISP did block virus, or what their stupid program thought was virus.

    Are you ready to turn over your rights to letting a machine and program decide what you can and can't see ?

    I turned off my ISP's censorship.

    Bad enough the government is censoring what you can see and read without voluntarily passing it on to machines.
     
    keepout, Jul 30, 2006
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  4. Dave

    Mike Russell Guest

    The same reason they don't stop irrelevant posts to news groups.
     
    Mike Russell, Jul 30, 2006
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  5. Dave

    Voivod Guest

    Your home virus software would shit itself to death trying to keep up
    with an email server's volume.
    Personable responsibility's a bitch.
    Buy a better tablet.
    Paranoia too, how nice.
    Why should I bother. I protect my own machine and don't need or want
    some 3rd party to do it for me.
     
    Voivod, Jul 30, 2006
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  6. Dave

    Stewy Guest

    My ISP doesn't filter out any spam at all. Now they want money to add a
    filter. ISPs usually promise the earth and rarely live up to
    expectations - I recently 'upgraded' to a claimed 30mbps - I'm actually
    getting 1mbps downloads and 400kbps uploads max sometimes.
     
    Stewy, Jul 31, 2006
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  7. Dave

    bilglas Guest

    Call me a naive idealist, but a better long-term solution would be to
    develop some structure for the Internet that would necessitate absolute
    delineation of the SOURCE of all data. Then, make it clear that anyone
    caught perpetrating spam, viruses, spyware, malware, or any of the other
    heinous, damaging content would be easily identified and captured ... then
    have a nightly show on the Fox network (hosted by Regis Philbin) where all
    these culprits would be summarily lined up and shot. Then all this nasty
    s**t would come to an end, and the fine folks at McAfee and Norton could
    spend their times doing more important things, like developing new flavors
    of ice cream ... or finding Osama.

    Thanks for listening........

    ============================
     
    bilglas, Jul 31, 2006
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  8. Dave

    JTS Brown Guest

    Why don't you know how to form a plural?
     
    JTS Brown, Jul 31, 2006
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  9. So ... change ISPs or 'downgrade'.

    90% of the time it's the telco company's fault, not the ISP!
     
    Sir F. A. Rien, Jul 31, 2006
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  10. Because she uses MS spul chakker!
     
    Sir F. A. Rien, Jul 31, 2006
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  11. Dave

    tacit Guest

    Nope, won't help.

    You see, there already is a source of data (or at least email data)--the
    IP address of the originator, which is recorded in the email headers.

    How do you capture and punish the source of a virus email if the source
    is in Latvia or Malaysia? How do you capture the source if the source is
    a computer infected with a virus that is being controlled by the virus
    writer? (A lot of spam is sent this way. Virus-infected computers can be
    controlled remotely by the virus writer, who can then use the infected
    computer to send spam or other viruses. Any attempts to trace the source
    end with the infected computer.)

    How do you catch the source if the source is a misconfigured or
    improperly secured server that a hacker has hacked into and seized
    control of? (Most phishing sites--fake Web sites that look like PayPal
    or a bank, and are used to steal credit card information--are hosted on
    improperly secured Web servers that have been taken over by the
    criminals.)
     
    tacit, Jul 31, 2006
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  12. Dave

    keepout Guest

    You write to the ISP in Latvia or Malaysia being used.
    You use DSHIELD that monitors bot activity. And let Dshield send out the auto form.
    See Dshield above
     
    keepout, Jul 31, 2006
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  13. Bwahhhhhhaaaaahhhhaaahhhhaaa !
    So your 'answer' to the OP is not to have the ISP do it, but to add yet
    another program to every computer, yours pehaps?
     
    Sir F. A. Rien, Jul 31, 2006
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  14. Dave

    Mike Russell Guest

    Have you ever done this? At best you'll get no response. At worst - if
    you keep at it and work up the food chain and make yourself a nuisance, your
    web site may be singled out for a denial of service attack. The resournces
    of the spammers are sufficient to greatly hamper destroy any small business.

    Phishing, and other deceptive financial con artistry have been a major
    source of hard currency for the Nigerian economy now for years. One
    anti-spam site was simply driven out of business by a large Russian spammer
    operation, who targetted customers and blackmailed the company out of
    business. Happily, one of the larger such operations has met an ignominious
    death
    http://wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/spamking.html

    One down, but there are many to go. There is all kinds of stuff happening
    out there, and it behooves us as members of the Internet to learn about it.
    Suggesting that ISP's simply remove virusses - though some do so - is a good
    idea that won't really work.. It amounts to ordering a utiltiy provider
    onto the frontline of an escalating major war, when what is needed is a
    major change in infrastructure involving digially signed messages, and a web
    of trust similar to that of eBay. Until that happens, the Internet remains
    a minefield for inexperienced people who attempt to do financial
    transactions.
     
    Mike Russell, Jul 31, 2006
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  15. Dave

    KatWoman Guest

    ............................................snip
    they even reach your computer ?" - You
    DO NOT FRET
    and do not use Norton or MacAfee
    use ESET NOD
    does not hang your system up
    highly rated
    personal edition is free ware!!
    Russians know how to create a secure network!
     
    KatWoman, Jul 31, 2006
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  16. Dave

    KatWoman Guest

    that is the lie they tell you to escape wrath
    true
    Teloshitty when I had them, blamed it all on Bellsouth lines they lease
    guess what
    I got Bellsouth DSL (same lines)
    no outs steady decent connections very reliable (had it up 1 days after
    Wilma)
    the time I did have a problem
    I got to the top troubleshooter dept supervisors
    after much convincing of techs on phone and many many changes to my comp all
    unecessary and knowing
    that it really was their line broken in the back
    They fixed the big hole that they dug previously and forgot about. Seems
    different contractors do different part of the job in repairs, it made water
    come into the line, every time it rained DSL went on/off for about a month.
    It was hell trying to talk to all those peons who keep telling you to
    reinstall your comp, un plug , do this etc just keep asking for supervisors
    no matter what they say tell them no..

    they fixed it no charge eventually no problems ever since
    lady gave me all new equipment in the house
    checked all the wires
    She said I have slower speed b/c I am farthest distance from the router
    allowed...cannot be helped unless I get cable instead.
    I had EarthLink back in dial up days and they were good, better than
    Shadownet and one other I tried.
     
    KatWoman, Jul 31, 2006
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  17. Dave

    tacit Guest

    You write to the ISP in Latvia or Malaysia being used.[/QUOTE]

    And that accomplishes...what, again?
     
    tacit, Aug 1, 2006
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  18. Not so with Sprint - it truly is usually -=their=- lines and exchanges that
    screw up DSL.

    One of the major reasons I'm happy I could dis-Embarq!
     
    Sir F. A. Rien, Aug 1, 2006
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  19. Dave

    keepout Guest

    I have no desire for a machine or software to block anything sent to me.
    If you start allowing censorship, how will you know what's going on ?

    see Hitler's Germany where the children betrayed the parents for the fatherland.

    Yes I've written and also let spamcop and dshield intercept or forward spam and hack attempts to individual ISP's.

    For those that think an ISP is some person reading every bit that passes thru their network, it's just one more machine that reads a 0 byteas equal as a 255 byte.
    How they're arranged has no significance to a machine.

    Some ISP's do very well with their own security. Some are no more technical than the average surfer. These are the ones that need dshield and spam cop to let them know they are being used for possibly illegal activity.

    Most are fine with [actually better] spamcop or dshield reports vs individual spam reports. Dshield and spamcop could make mistakes, but farfewer than reports from some individual trying to decipher message headers.
     
    keepout, Aug 1, 2006
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  20. Dave

    Mike Russell Guest

    On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:42:52 GMT, "Mike Russell"

    [re spam filtering using PGP and "web of trust"]

    Yet you already seem to be a victim, since you do not use your name, or your
    email address. The result is that you are an anonymous entity, with nothing
    to gain or lose, long term, by what you say.

    My thought is to retain identity, yet have control over who you are and what
    posts you read, using a PGP-style technology to verify the source of a
    message accurately, and have a way to act on that knowledge to control what
    you see. The end result would be an Internet where spam is no longer
    profitable.

    Here's a good explanation of how a web of trust would work:
    http://www.rubin.ch/pgp/weboftrust.en.html
    LOL - ask yourself whether you've continued a meaningful conversation after
    a remark like that. I have a rule about anyone who brings Hitler into a
    conversation. See if you can tell what it is.
     
    Mike Russell, Aug 1, 2006
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