Why I love Photography

Discussion in 'Photography' started by rufref, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. rufref

    Mike Kohary Guest

    I strongly suggest you read this document:


    If you have indeed "transferred one web site to another location" that is
    pedophilic in nature, and done it all using an alias that makes you appear
    to be Bill, you have violated the following conditions:


    The following constitute violations of this AUP:

    a.Illegal use. Using the Services to transmit any material (by email,
    uploading, posting, or otherwise) that, intentionally or unintentionally,
    violates any applicable local, state, national or international law, or any
    rules or regulations promulgated thereunder.

    b.Harm to minors. Using the Services to harm, or attempt to harm, minors in
    any way.
    d.Harassment. Using the Services to transmit any material (by email,
    uploading, posting, or otherwise) that harasses another.
    f.Forgery or impersonation. Adding, removing or modifying identifying
    network header information in an effort to deceive or mislead is prohibited.
    Attempting to impersonate any person by using forged headers or other
    identifying information is prohibited. The use of anonymous remailers or
    nicknames does not constitute impersonation. Using deliberately misleading
    headers ("munging" headers) in news postings in order to avoid spam email
    address collectors is allowed.

    Not only that, but if you did indeed commit such an act, you yourself will
    be arrested! You've not only violated Earthlink's TOS, you've also broken
    several laws, so the TOS suddenly becomes the least of your problems. You
    don't honestly think any harm will come to Bill, do you? All he'll have to
    do is point to these messages, posted in a public forum, all of which
    Earthlink can easily confirm came from you and not he (as well as confirm
    all of your other activity), and it's game over. Do you think the
    authorities are just flat-out stupid? You've left a trail of bread crumbs
    anyone could see. What on earth are you thinking?

    If you're just trying to ruin his name, again these messages tell the whole
    story. What on earth are you thinking?

    You are hurting no one but yourself, and badly.
    Bill has expressed opinions, not always kindly, but that is not against the
    TOS. I just finished reading the entire document myself, and there is
    nothing in there about holding strong opinions or even insulting someone
    else for their opinions. What you have done, even if you haven't really
    done it (and I do think it most likely you're just grandstanding), is
    definitely in violation of the TOS, and is a far reach above anything you
    perceive Bill to have done.

    What do you think you're accomplishing with all of this? All you're doing
    is besmirching your own name. Bill is not looking bad here - you are. In
    fact, you're painting yourself in the worst light possible, and irreparably
    so. I doubt you will ever again hold any ounce of integrity among the other
    posters of this newsgroup. At this point, it's probably best if you simply
    leave and don't come back. If this is how you're going to behave, I doubt
    you'll be welcome here by most posters, and I doubt Bill will be the only
    one complaining to Earthlink.

    You might be able to fix all of this right now with an apology and a promise
    to cease and desist. Maybe.
    Mike Kohary, Apr 2, 2005
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  2. rufref

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Got nothing better to do with your day, eh?
    Did you dial into Russia too? Because your ISP keeps logs of every activity
    you engage in while you're plugged in. They know where you went, what you
    saw and what you did, and they readily release such logs to the authorities
    when subpoenaed to do so.
    Again, your ISP will not be fooled by such activity. They know every
    message you sent, no matter what you put in the headers.

    If you actually engaged in any of this, which I doubt, you're a bigger fool
    than anyone ever thought.
    Mike Kohary, Apr 2, 2005
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  3. rufref

    Mike Kohary Guest

    The police do not look kindly on vigilante justice. BillB may have made you
    cry, but he has broken no laws. If you've done what you say you've done,
    then you've broken several laws, and no matter how mean Bill has ever been
    to you, no judge in the land is going to give you leniency based on that.
    Mike Kohary, Apr 2, 2005
  4. rufref

    BillB Guest

    I'm pretty sure he'd never attempt any of the things he's claimed.
    Having worked with computers before retiring he probably thinks that
    we're less knowledgeable about computers than he is and can be
    frightened by his threats. I saw in a recent message that you have
    a computer background and so do I. If Dwight doesn't remember it,
    it's probably because it was mentioned in a reply to him that
    occurred several months before he appeared in this newsgroup. :)

    FWIW, I notified Earthlink's abuse department and received an
    automated reply with a ticket ID. It also contained boilerplate and
    useful suggestions, some that many of us should be familiar with and
    others that may be new. For anyone that is interested, here's part
    of what was in the reply. The links may useful.
    BillB, Apr 2, 2005

  5. Through Earthlink? No. Earthlink is only used to access these newsgroups
    and when I'm on the road. For normal internet access, I use a high speed
    broadband connection provided by a local third-party. This third-party does
    not offer newsgroup access and Earthlink does not allow newsgroup access
    from connections they do not provide. As such, I dial into Earthlink for
    newsgroup access.

    Again, I'm no fool, Mike. Since that ISP is unknown, it is going to be a
    little tough for BillB or anyone else to obtain info from it.

    Dwight Stewart, Apr 2, 2005

  6. And, for what is worth, I also contacted Earthlink's abuse department. I
    told them you claimed to have filed a complaint about me and sent copies of
    your messages, almost three dozen of them, posted over the last few weeks
    and months containing negative comments about me. Harassment, especially
    over an extended period, is clearly a violation of Earthlink's TOS.

    Dwight Stewart, Apr 2, 2005
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    wavy~dave Guest

    What I love about photography is its ability to abstact the
    commonplace, and by doing so open our eyes to perceiving in new ways
    the objects in our lives. By enabling us to see beyond the self-limits
    of our perceptions, photography enables us to momentarily escape from
    the ordinary world and return with an entirely new outlook.

    For example, when we look at a photo of a peach, we know immediately
    what that object is: a peach. However, the image is distorted from our
    normal perspective... it's one-dimentional and the print captures
    light and shadow in a way that our immediate eye does not. And it's
    this careful manipulation of the intricacies of light and shadow that
    creates the artistry of photography, and we as photographers strive to
    understand and master the control of this light with the mechanism of
    the camera - regardless if that camera is film or digital.

    Will there be differences between a photo shot with a digital camera
    and a film camera? Of course. But a true artist will be willing to
    explore the possibilites of both types of camera.
    wavy~dave, Apr 2, 2005

  8. As I explained earlier, Earthlink was not used to transfer any such
    material and their records will clearly indicate that. As such, Earthlink's
    TOS is not even an issue in this regard.

    Again, no cigar. Since the single message I posted to this newsgroup using
    headers similar to Bill's clearly contained my name at the bottom, with me
    clearly talking about both you and Bill in the message, there was no "effort
    to deceive or mislead." As such, that again does not violate Earthlink's
    TOS. Further, Earthlink's TOS also says the "use of anonymous remailers or
    nicknames does not constitute impersonation." BillB is clearly a nickname,
    not a true name to impersonate.

    As for everything else, since I did not use an Earthlink connection,
    Earthlink's TOS does not apply. I was very careful to use an untraceable
    connection and remove all traces to me from the content, leaving everything
    pointing solely at Bill alone. Given that, I'd love to see Bill trying to
    use easily faked newsgroup messages to claim to the police someone else used
    easily faked newsgroup messages to post them instead.

    Dwight Stewart, Apr 2, 2005
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    BillB Guest

    Shouldn't that be two-dimensional? But I get your "point". :)
    BillB, Apr 2, 2005
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    wavy~dave Guest

    Yes, I meant two-dimentional; thanks for catching that, Billl. Sorry,
    typo. I should have also mentioned the artistry of composition, camera
    angle, depth-of-field, etc.
    wavy~dave, Apr 2, 2005
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    BillB Guest

    I also should have mentioned something else. I was in the
    military when I first used color slide film. I almost didn't
    recognize most of the indoor pictures I took (barracks, day rooms,
    etc.) because these were pretty drab places, yet the pictures seemed
    so much more vivid, colorful and cheery than I knew them to be.
    Maybe the film's smaller dynamic range (compared the the eyes)
    helped exaggerate some of the light intensity and color differences.
    BillB, Apr 2, 2005
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    Mike Kohary Guest

    It doesn't matter who it is. Any American ISP will keep logs of your
    The authorities would have no trouble with this at all.
    Mike Kohary, Apr 2, 2005
  13. rufref

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Whoever it is will have a similar TOS.
    That's not going to fly, and I think you know that. I don't intend to
    argue it with you; it will be up to Earthlink to determine this.
    There is no such thing. Now I'm sure that you're just posturing.
    Grow up.
    Mike Kohary, Apr 2, 2005

  14. There is nothing to fly. For that messages to be a violation of the
    Earthlink TOS, there has to be an "effort to deceive or mislead." Since I
    clearly signed my name at the bottom of the message, there was no such
    effort. Further, Bill has no unique right to a nickname like "BillB." Anyone
    in the world can use it. That is exactly why Earthlink's TOS says the "use
    of ... nicknames does not constitute impersonation."

    Perhaps you need a reality check also. To avoid repetition, read what I
    said about ISP very rarely investigating complaints in the "Did you enjoy
    April 1st, BillB?" thread.

    Actually, there is, Mike. My internet access (not newsgroup access) is
    through a network serving several thousand users through closed, dedicated,
    access lines. There are no individual sign-ins, user IDs, or passwords.
    Instead, each computer sharing those lines is assigned a unique, yet random,
    IP address during access, with that address changing with each access.

    Dwight Stewart, Apr 3, 2005
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    Scott W Guest

    And what did you accomplish with all of this, do you think this will
    make people see you are a reasonable person?

    To me it would seem that you have done more damage to your reputation
    that anyone else ever could, was it really worth it?

    Scott W, Apr 3, 2005
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    Mike Kohary Guest

    You forged the header...end of story. Again, Earthlink will make
    their own determination. You are right that they might be far too
    busy to care about your petty little tantrum, but that fact doesn't
    aquit you - it just means they're too busy with more important things.
    Sure it is, Dwight, sure it is.
    Mike Kohary, Apr 3, 2005

  17. Doubt what you want, Mike. The type of service described, internet access
    without registration, user id, or password, is fairly commonplace today.
    While I will not say how my own such internet access is provided, one can
    find such internet connections at hotels, motels, internet cafes, libraries,
    business copy/service centers, computer study labs at schools and colleges,
    college dorm rooms, and so on. Some apartment complexes offer similar
    connections in each apartment. I've even seen such connections available to
    customers of computer stores in the mall. Since internet access requires
    physical connection to a closed access line, there is little use for user
    ids or passwords.

    Dwight Stewart, Apr 4, 2005
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