Why some folks still shoot film ....

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, Mar 31, 2005.

  1. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    When I got my new computer last year, I made sure to get a DVD burner
    so i could make backups of all my digital photos.
    Well, I've been farting around and I've only managed to make 3 DVDs
    full so far, but that only gets me to about 2003.

    As a precautionary measure, I backed up up my photos to a different
    hard drive. I did this when I got back from Hawaii in October. I keep
    my downloaded pics on my "D" drive and I copied them over to the "E"
    drive as a temporary backup.

    Well guess what happened this week? My "D" drive is shot!
    Too much dust, I think. It gives the dreaded "tick of death" and
    Windows won't recognize it as a formatted drive. I'm screwed.
    Fortunately, only the photos I've taken since October/2004 are all gone
    and it's been a slow Winter.

    Any suggestions on how to recover the data from the bad drive?
    I know there are places that do that kind of thing, but most of them
    are expensive. Someone suggested Partition Magic, but I don't know if
    that program will do what I want. I just want to get the files off the
    drive before scrapping it.
    Annika1980, Mar 31, 2005
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  2. (Seriously resisting the temptation to kick a guy who's down...)

    A good file recovery program which boots into a DOS window when you turn
    on the computer is your best bet. Powerquest Lost & Found and Tiramisu
    are two that come to mind. Make sure whatever program you use makes no
    changes to your disk until you've given up hope (the two I mentioned don't).

    Good luck!
    Chris Loffredo, Mar 31, 2005
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  3. Annika1980

    Neal Guest

    Any suggestions on how to recover the data from the bad drive?

    stick in the freezer for 30minutes. take it out, plug it in, and see
    if it spins up. if it does, you may have some time to copy files
    before it shits the bed again. if it doesnt work, you havent hurt it.

    it worked for me when i lost a drive, and it has worked for my boss as
    well. (was computer technician for 3 years).
    Neal, Mar 31, 2005
  4. Annika1980

    jones144 Guest

    Partition Magic won't do what you need. That program is for creating
    partitions on a drive, not reading data, and you may destroy the
    partition you are trying to read.
    You may want to try http://www.ontrack.com/. If the drive will spin
    up, it can read data off the disk. Entire folders may be recovered, or
    nothing at all. I've never used it, but have heard it works if the
    drive is not too damaged. They have a demo program that can be used.
    Its a shame to loose even one picture, film or digital.
    Good luck. I hope you get your pictures back.
    jones144, Mar 31, 2005
  5. Annika1980

    Ken Tough Guest

    Yoicks. I had the same thing recently, though I was granted a
    reprieve as the drive could be coaxed to limp back into action
    for short periods. I agree with the comment that cooling it might
    help [not necessarily in the freezer, but it does generally get worse
    as the drive warms, so do it in short bursts from first switch-on].

    You could also try plugging it in under a different OS, e.g. maybe
    Linux [have any Linux-oriented friends?] It could just be a boot
    sector that it's trying to look at, and if you can avoid that, or
    the way Windows checks a drive on starting up, you might be able
    to get something off it.

    I am going to do some backing up now... bye.
    Ken Tough, Mar 31, 2005
  6. Annika1980

    Douglas Guest

    You can often get some rebirthing of the drive by freezing it. I use canned
    freeze from the electrical wholesalers to spray the electronics of the drive
    with but... If you have the click of death, the heads are flicking on the
    stops and most probably you won't get any joy at recovery unless you use the
    same model drive controller from a different drive to power up your disc.

    You are gonna have to get another drive, right? Why not hunt around for the
    exact same model as the dead one and rat the controller board for a while to
    fire up the old drive. Put it back after you are finished and burn, burn,
    burn baby. Forget the DVDs make it a ritual to burn CDs every time you copy
    the files from your card to the PC.

    Douglas (in Aus)
    Douglas, Mar 31, 2005
  7. Annika1980

    ian lincoln Guest

    good job you post so much of it on the net. It the keepers must still be
    floating around out there. I backup to the point of silliness. Besides
    what about drive E?
    ian lincoln, Mar 31, 2005
  8. Annika1980

    Roxy d'Urban Guest

    Um, this is AOL Annika you're talking to. Let's not get too advanced...
    Roxy d'Urban, Mar 31, 2005
  9. Annika1980

    TAFKAB Guest

    I've used a program called Recover It All Pro several times, and it works
    very nicely, as long as the drive will spin up. The interface is a little
    obtuse, but it does the job for short money.


    If that doesn't work, companies like Drive Savers will get the data, but
    you'll pay dearly. Last drive I sent to them was over $1K to recover the
    data. (www.drivesavers.com)
    TAFKAB, Mar 31, 2005
  10. A good file recovery program which boots into a DOS window when you turn
    Depending on what's wrong with the drive, even playing around with one
    of these can make things worse. The more you use the drive, the more
    you risk ruining it forever.

    Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, Mar 31, 2005
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    Lisa Horton Guest

    I had that happen once, without proper backups. It was in the days
    before CD burners, so I had been using tape backups. And it was, wait
    for it, a 5.25" hard drive, with a thirst for electricity that dwarfs
    today's drives.

    Anyway, I repeatedly powered it up until one time it worked, and I
    quickly copied all of the files to another drive. I still have the
    drive as a souvenir. I wonder how many here have never seen a 5.25"
    full height hard disk :)

    I also have a suggestion for your future. I found it hard to get around
    to backing up everything to CD, and then to DVD. So, I figured out a
    (arguably) better way. Two, actually.

    The first, and cheapest, is to purchase one or two external drives with
    enough capacity to hold all of your photos. Only turn on and hook up
    the drives when you're backing up, and preferably back up to two drives,
    one of which is stored off site.

    The other part of my solution is a bit more expensive and technical, and
    may not be possible with your computer unless you buy a dedicated card
    for it. This solution is RAID mirroring. In my case, I have two 400 GB
    striped arrays, one of which mirrors the other. This way, I would need
    two simultaneous drive failures to lose data. But I still back up to
    TWO external drives. No one said peace of mind came cheap :)

    Lisa Horton, Mar 31, 2005
  12. Annika1980

    Alan Browne Guest

    I'm not that old, but yes, many.
    I just manually mirror my phots to another internal hard drive. eg: D:
    is primary image store; E: is hot backup. Update it every few days as
    the thought occurs to me. When there's enough, off to two DVD's they go.

    Alan Browne, Mar 31, 2005
  13. SNIP
    It depends on whether it's mechanical failure, which it seems to be,
    or unreadable data. The latter may be restorable with Spinrite
    Probably not, because PM must be able to read the data before it can
    move it to another place on the same drive.

    Bart van der Wolf, Mar 31, 2005
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    Paul Bielec Guest

    If there is a mechanical problem with the drive, software will not help.
    Software can only be help retrieving corrupted data from the drive if
    the drive itself works. If it doesn't, then the cost of retrieving the
    data will depend of what is broken.
    As for backups, an external drive and an automated backup task is the
    best solution (the most efficient vs the cost).
    RAID is overkill for home computers. It is important to understand that
    the goal behind RAID is not only backing up the data. It is also to
    minimize the down time when a server drive blows. This works very well,
    especially if you have hot-swap drives. At home, the down time is not
    really an issue. As long as you have all the data, you can restore your
    Of course, it is still good to back up to DVDs and store them at a
    different location.
    Paul Bielec, Mar 31, 2005
  15. Annika1980

    ThomasH Guest

    Say more about the drive (make and model). Drives are sealed,
    their failure has rarely something to do with dust.
    Use Spinrite on it, if it is salvageable, it will be be possible
    to read the data. Afterwards, save it and as sad it is, dispose
    or exchange the drive. See http://www.grc.com. Partition magic
    has nothing to do with restoring sectors on the drive.

    Observe that all modern drives provide S.M.A.R.T., lookup
    on the web. Use the smart monitoring tool on all drives.
    If smart will record some problems, its a good indicator
    for upcoming problems with the drive. Most manufacturers
    will replace you a defective drive, the more it if is so
    young. I got two drives replaced already.

    Make a few copies of the DVD's and maybe even CD's because
    these have a proven life span and much lesser density
    of data. You might also run a daily backup from drive
    D: to E:, and ... add drives! My last letter is M:
    Its a Firewire external drive, which I can take away
    from the computer and lockup someplace. I can also put
    it back into the PC and use another as the external.

    ThomasH, Mar 31, 2005
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    Bandicoot Guest

    I remember when my university got rid of a load of the old _big_ hard
    drives. Each spindle held a stack of platters that must have been somewhere
    around 14" across, and each unit - platters, motor, heads, controllers and
    all - was in a case about twice the size of a domestic dishwasher. I don't
    know how much data they held, but I bet it wasn't much!
    I do this with data, even though I don't shoot (much) digital. One of the
    drives is always in a fireproof data safe. Note the word "data" - an
    ordinary fireproof (document) safe will not suffice. You need a data safe
    anyway if you want to keep slides and negatives in it...
    That's the plan for my new PC, when I get round to getting it - but I'll
    still use the removable drives as well. Currently I backup at least
    monthly, but have a nightly backup of key data between two of the internal
    drives. Too true: peace of mind does _not_ come cheap.

    Commiserations to Anni, and best wishes in the recovery process: data
    recovery first, and then your own recovery if the former doesn't work...

    Bandicoot, Mar 31, 2005
  17. Annika1980

    Ken Tough Guest

    Pshaw. We thought we were lucky when Seagate came out with 4500 RPM
    in a 5.25" full height. My favourite was the floppies we used to
    store our cross-compiled assembler on [8 inch, at least you never
    lost them.].
    Ken Tough, Mar 31, 2005
  18. Annika1980

    Alan Browne Guest

    We had packs too. Small ones were a whopping 10 MB, the spindles (as
    you describe) were 50 MB. Wow! At school and in the IT section they
    had similar looking disk systems which held a lot more data... like
    maybe 250 MB!

    Alan Browne, Mar 31, 2005
  19. 400 GB?!?! Ye Gads!! You must be starting your own on line Library of
    William Graham, Mar 31, 2005
  20. Annika1980

    ian lincoln Guest

    Huge capacity external drives are quite popular and cheap. I burn to cds
    and when have enough burn to dvd as well. Also most of it is transferred to
    a laptop via the cd so that i know the cd has taken. Even when "burn
    successfully" comes up is no indication. I never burn at the top speed
    anymore either. I had a number of failures so started trying these bulk
    bought discs on the laptop, the roxio software refused to let me burn faster
    than x4 even though they were rated x52. So went back to pc (using nero)
    and slowed down speed a step at a time. Eventually found that 100% success
    was only guaranteed at x4.

    Take the attitude that you can't trust any computer further than you could
    throw it then you are on the right track.
    ian lincoln, Mar 31, 2005
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