Windoze XP can now read RAW files!

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Bob, Jun 25, 2005.

  1. Bob

    Bob Guest

    Microsoft has released it's RAW viewer software to patch XP SP2 to read both NEF
    files and Canon raw files, 4 different types actually...

    It's a 6 meg download if you have ,net 1.1 installed (needed for Norton Ghost
    among other things) or a 28 meg if you don't...

    Once installed it gives thums in the thumbnail view, but won't do filmstrip...

    The nice thing is, the popup when you put your mouse over the image gives you
    all the EXIF data, including the ISO!

    I love it! Finally MS did something useful!

    Double-clicking the image will bring it up in a Microsoft viewer, if you have
    Nikon View, you have to kill the shortcut to NKVMON.EXE in the STARTUP or it
    will 'steal' back the NEF from Windoze. If you don't want to use MS viewer,
    don't delete it...

    Now to go look at all my NEF's!!



    Oh yeah - you can get a link from the Photo Review site...

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp
     
    Bob, Jun 25, 2005
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    Darrell Guest

    Except it's typical Bloatware weighing in a 47 MB zipped. Many similar
    plugins are 4.7 MB. And it doesn't support anything but Canon and Nikon. So
    apparently, Olympus, Fuji, Minolta and Pentax et al don't exist in Mr.
    Bill's neighbourhood...
     
    Darrell, Jun 25, 2005
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  3. Bob

    Stacey Guest

    They probably failed to pay their MS tax?

    I wonder why anyone would need/want a viewer outside of a RAW developer
    anyway? Like what are you going to do once you find the RAW file you want?
    Open a RAW developer...
     
    Stacey, Jun 25, 2005
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  4. Bob

    G.T. Guest

    Yep, what the hell were they thinking? It's not even worth downloading.

    Greg
     
    G.T., Jun 25, 2005
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  5. Bob

    Sheldon Guest

    Nikon has had a patch for XP for a long time. I've been viewing NEF's in
    thumbnails since I got my D70. The "updater" is only 607KB!
     
    Sheldon, Jun 25, 2005
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  6. Bob

    Bob Guest

    That's why I wanted this patch - to see the RAW files when browsing around in
    Windose... I hated to just see a little blank box among the jpeg thums. As for
    MS viewer, I probably won't use it! Anyone actually use MS photo ware??
     
    Bob, Jun 25, 2005
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  7. Bob

    Bob Guest

    Really? I wish they had told me about it, I'm always going to MS update but it
    never seems to find anything...
     
    Bob, Jun 25, 2005
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  8. Bob

    frederick Guest

    Windows XP update here:
    http://tinyurl.com/cqwex

    You need to have installed Picture Project or Nikon Capture etc for it
    to work.

    Also, use "Tweak UI" from Powertools for windows XP to adjust
    size/quality of all thumbnails displayed.
     
    frederick, Jun 25, 2005
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  9. Bob

    Stacey Guest

    But isn't that just going to slow down the system having to deal with that
    action? Sounds like more bloat that will require another hardware upgrade
    just to use windows explorer! :)
     
    Stacey, Jun 25, 2005
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  10. Bob

    Trapezium Guest



    Try DP Magic http://www.dpmagic.com/ it will enable the viewing of most
    (all?) RAW file thumbnails

    (remember to set your folder view to 'thumbnails)
     
    Trapezium, Jun 25, 2005
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    Darrell Guest

    I use Cerious Software's "Thumbs Plus" with their RAW plugin. I find it
    useful to view thumbnails of my files. The 47 MB for M$ is bloatware. I
    wonder how big it would be if it supported more cameras ;)
     
    Darrell, Jun 25, 2005
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  12. Darrell wrote:
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    Someone said the actual download was only a few MB. Supporting extra
    cameras should not make it significantly bigger.

    The extra was for .NET if you didn't already have the required version of
    ..NET, and that's just a once-off download.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Jun 25, 2005
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  13. There is a serious problem with the Microsoft RAW viewer. You cannot delete,
    move or rename TIFF files. I personally had a serious problem with this
    after installing the viewer. Once I removed the viewer, I was again able to
    perform these functions. I notice that several "Boards" have documented this
    problem, e.g., www.dpreview.com .

    I have deleted the viewer and all is back to normal again.

    Ina
     
    Ina Bechhoefer, Jun 25, 2005
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  14. Explain further. I just cut, copy, pasted and deleted with the RAW viewer
    installed. Under what circumstances does this fail?
     
    Robert R Kircher, Jr., Jun 25, 2005
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    birdman Guest

    The real problem is that you have to install the Microsoft NET framework.
    This is Microsoft's answer to Java. The bottom line is that the NET
    framework, which is not needed except for special applications, can slow
    computer boot times and opertating times significantly. If you think your
    computer is not acting properly after installing this applet you are correct
    and both the viewer and the NET framework have to be uninstalled through
    Control Panel.
     
    birdman, Jun 25, 2005
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    Frank ess Guest

    And while it was installed, it was painfully slow, even for viewing
    JPEGs. A waste of time and energy, at this point. Couple years down
    the road, M$oft will absorb some enterprising programmer's quick and
    small appliance and be worthwhile in this regard. Isn't that the way
    it works?
     
    Frank ess, Jun 25, 2005
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  17. And when you realize that the Irfanview plugin (Formats.dll) is only
    147kb (yes, only kilobytes) for PSP, G3, RAS, BioRAD, Mosaic, XBM,
    XPM, GEM-IMG, SGI, RLE, WBMP, TTF, RAW, CRW, CR2, DNG, NEF, ORF, RAF,
    MRW, DCR, SRF, PEF, EEF, X3F, DDS, CAM, SFW, WAD, WAL, PIC, FITS, full
    size support, the MS effort is seriously underwhelming.

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Jun 25, 2005
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  18. Bob

    Juan Guest

    I get it! Misspelling "Windows" is supposed to be cute/funny--in a third
    grade sort of way. Did it take you a long time to think that up, or are you
    always so amusing?
     
    Juan, Jun 25, 2005
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  19. Bob

    Frank ess Guest

    I don't get it.

    How does someone's cute humor injure anyone to the degree he must
    respond with vitriol?
     
    Frank ess, Jun 25, 2005
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  20. Bob

    Alan Browne Guest

    er, you can't adjust and then save to JPG / TIFF, however. Only works
    on Nikon and Canon RAW.

    M$ CRAP, IOW.
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 25, 2005
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