Would I notice a difference with Nikon Silent Wave lenses?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by acorn, Oct 8, 2008.

  1. acorn

    acorn Guest

    I have some Nikon lenses right now with a D70. Focusing is slow and not
    always accurate. Last weekend, I tried capturing some sports pics with my
    80-200 F/2.8 lens and I wasn't happy with it. Now I'm going to buy a D90
    for miscellaneous reasons, and while I'm doing that I thought maybe I should
    get the Silent Wave version of the 80-200 lens. Would I really notice the
    difference when using a Silent Wave lens?
    acorn, Oct 8, 2008
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  2. acorn

    Me Guest

    Depends which non AF-s 80-200 you are using. The later 2-ring versions
    are much faster than the older push-pull versions, but not quite as fast
    as the 80-200 AF-s or 70-200 VR. AF motor wind speed is the same in all
    Nikon D*0 bodies I've tried or owned. D2/3 series have a faster motor.

    What I would suggest if you're often shooting action is to consider the
    D300 rather than the D90, as the difference in body price is less than
    the difference in lens prices, and for continuous servo AF on moving
    targets, the module in the D300 is *much* better than the module in the
    D80/90, and that probably makes much more difference than the mechanical
    speed that the focus mechanism in the lens can be driven.
    Me, Oct 8, 2008
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  3. acorn

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Probably, but you would be better off buying the 16-85 and 85-200
    lens. There is no point in handicapping the D90 with a lens with a
    performance the next level down. Mind you, its all a question of

    Eric Stevens
    Eric Stevens, Oct 8, 2008
  4. acorn

    me Guest

    Someone else has pointed out that there are various versions of the
    non-AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8. I shoot a lot of long f.l.shots and started
    with a D70. What exactly were the settings you were using? Aperture,
    shutter speed, AF-S or AF-C? You do know that AF-C mode, if you are
    using it, in the D70 will release the shutter without a focus lock.
    me, Oct 8, 2008
  5. acorn

    acorn Guest

    I was mostly using F2.8 or 3.3 with high shutter speeds, with aperture
    priority. I wasn't using AF-C mode. I was using AF-S. But can you
    explain your comment about the focus lock if I were in AF-C mode? And I
    am now likely to buy the D300 instead of the D90 in case that makes any
    difference to your thinking.
    acorn, Oct 8, 2008
  6. acorn

    me Guest

    Not to belabor the point, but what do you consider "high" shutter speeds?
    My experience base is with the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR and 200-400mm f/4 VR with
    and without 1.4x and 2x TCs.
    Sure. The D70 had a major short coming in its implementation of continuous
    AF (AF-C) where the target is tracked and focus changed accordingly.
    However, it will allow the shutter to be released even if focus lock is not
    satisfied/confirmed. The default action in AF-S is to only allow the
    shutter to be released when the focus lock is confirmed and the shutter
    release button is fully depressed. There is a menu option to allow AF-S to
    be set so that it will release the shutter without focus lock as well. The
    D300 allows both AF-S and AF-C to be set either way, though the default for
    AF-C is release. The D200 was similar. I haven't looked at the D90, I went
    the D70/D200/D300 route. The focus system in the D300 is the improved
    CAM-3500DX system, while the D90 has the CAM-1000 system which was used in
    the D200 and was an upgrade from the CAM-900 in the D70. More focus sensors
    were added in subsequent systems which helps if you shoot moving subjects
    which don't fill the frame.
    me, Oct 8, 2008
  7. acorn

    Me Guest

    Yes - also see note below re "focus tracking with lock-on".
    D3/300/700 AFAIK have same options, for continuous servo - selectable
    shutter or focus priority, or "both" release+focus (some compromise -
    the camera decides somehow - I never use it so can't comment more), plus
    setting focus tracking with lock-on, to adjust the delay (if any) before
    the camera seeks to acquire focus on (usually the background) if the
    subject moves out of the focus area that is selected (9/21/51 points).
    AFAIK, a difference between D80 and D90 with the same AF module is that
    3d tracking has been added to the D90 - a feature that might or might
    not be of use, it recognises patterns in the subject within the focus
    area, and attempts to track the pattern by shifting focus points used
    laterally around the frame, but with D300 not really fast enough to
    track an object coming toward you or away from you fast, where "normal"
    continuous servo mode and 9 or 21 AF points can work very well. For me
    "3d" mode seems more gimmick than useful feature, but YMMV.
    Unfortunately reading the manual may not be enough - you really need to
    try the cameras in conjunction with knowing what the features are to
    work out how these things work. Or you can trust opinion, that D300 (or
    better - D3/700) is a big step above anything other current model in the
    Nikon line, then spend the days or weeks learning how to use it.
    I've found that with lenses (ultra-wide) where with D70 and D80 there
    was difficulty achieving AF lock using the edge sensors, that the D300
    is much much better. In the case of the extreme edge sensors in the
    D3/700/300, they are still not "cross" type, but perform much better
    than the D80 or D70. Using the centre cross type sensors in low light
    with any lens, there is also no comparison.
    Me, Oct 9, 2008
  8. acorn

    Sheila Guest


    Does the D300 have better image quality than the D2x? I'm
    just curious. My path was D1x, D80, D300, I skipped the D2X. My D300
    is wonderful and I love it.

    Sheila, Nov 14, 2008
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