Would like opinion re first digital camera

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Cathy, Mar 25, 2005.

  1. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    Hi all,
    I've been looking for the last few months for a digital camera in stores
    and read tons and tons of reviews, and now am confused as to what I
    should get.
    I am looking for a camera with at least a 1.8" LCD and a clear
    viewfinder that is
    not blurry (to me at least). I mainly want a camera for family indoor
    shots and scenery
    when I go somewhere .
    But many will be indoors, so I want to try to get one with not much red
    eye, though I notice most seem to have that problem. I looked at many
    reviews and photo samples on Steves site and dresource.com. (I like
    those two sites the best, but also have been to depreview.com.) I know
    you can take red eye out with software, but I would prefer if possible
    to try to get a camera that doesn't have a lot of red eye. I like
    pictures that turn out clear and sharp.

    A 3.2 MP is ok for me, as I don't want to pay much more than $250.00 US
    or under. I am in Canada, but just to give you an idea of price and not
    all models
    in the US are available here.

    Here's what I was considering:

    Canon A75 or A85, but needing 4 batteries kind of puts me off though I
    don't rule it out completely if its really a good camera. I would prefer
    2 batteries. Canon have recently brought out two new cameras, the A510-
    3 MP and the A520 - 4 MP which have two batteries and they take SD
    memory cards. I was thinking of buying one of them, but the reviews on
    all the sites I looked at, said they had a lot of red eye, and were not
    s good as A75 and A85. The A75 and A85 are quite good prices here.

    Kodak CX 7530, is a good price right now, and I like the look of Kodak
    DX 7440, which is about $100.00 more.
    Or Olympus D 580, also a good price camera. The samples on dresource.com
    were good of the Olympus D580, and very little redeye on indoor photo on
    the site, but said the flash was weak unless taking small groups, but
    that might not be a big problem for me.

    Any and all comments or personal experiences with any of these cameras
    would be much appreciated.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 25, 2005
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    ASAAR Guest

    You don't really need a review to determine whether red-eye will
    be a problem or not. Anti red-eye tricks with the flash aren't
    especially helpful, and the preflash often makes the subject move,
    messing up the picture. Look to see where the flash is located.
    The further from the lens the better. Fuji's E500 and E510 are
    similar to the Canons. They also use 2 AA batteries. I don't
    recall reading reviews mentioning red-eye, but as their flashes
    appear to be small pop-ups, they're further from the lens and will
    probably produce much less red-eye, but you'd have to check it for
    yourself. I think that they also have fairly large displays, but
    don't recall the exact dimensions.

    The E510 (and possibly the E500) has a very wide 28 mm (equiv.) for
    the low end of the zoom, which would tend to make it a better choice
    for what you want, indoor family shots and scenic landscapes.

    Fuji's E510 has 5 mp and the E500 has less. I don't know what the
    price would be in Canada, but I recently saw that B&H was selling
    the E510 for $220. Would they not ship to Canada? I recall a
    recent thread here discussing one of their shipments that seems to
    have been delayed in Brazil's customs. :)
     
    ASAAR, Mar 25, 2005
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    Douglas Guest

    I myself use DSLR cameras but my wife has an Olympus C760. I believe it is
    now superseded but this little camera has made her very happy. It does
    sometimes make red-eye and it does have a shutter lag but it really is very
    nice camera for family use. The later model is even better. I would advise
    you to stay away from Kodak cameras of all models. Their Easy Share software
    installs spyware on your PC and give many older PCs a lot of drama.

    If I were to buy a non-slr camera today, I would purchase a Panasonic 'FZ'.
    These are equipped with some formidable features and the FZ20 is quite good
    enough to use for real estate and postcard photography on a professional
    level. I've just finished a brochure for a tour operator who supplied all
    the photos and they were from a FZ20 camera. Very impressive stuff.

    Hope this helps,
    Douglas
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    Douglas, Mar 25, 2005
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  4. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    The reviews I usually look at are Steves digicams, dresource.com and
    image resource, and dpreview.com. The reviwers usually comment on red
    eye problems or very little red eye, whatever the case.
    I seem to recall they have quite large displays as well, but I notice
    that the E500 and E510 Fujis, have mixed reviews on review sites, and
    thats why I didn't look at them closer though maybe I should have.
    Could be. Those two cameras are more money than the Canon A75 and A85,
    but not a huge difference, though I haven't looked at the prices of the
    Fujis recently.
    Shipping to Canada is not the problem, and neither is Customs delays
    unless the package is poorly described or something, but paying 15%
    Customs tax when it came to Canada IS a problem and wouldn't be
    worthwhile :)
    We have very skimpy Customs exemptions and pay 15% tax on anything over
    $17.00 US coming into Canada. It would be far cheaper to buy it here,
    and many times when the difference in currencies are taken into account,
    it cost much the same here, depending on the item of course.
    Sometimes people buy items from the US if they are not available here
    and know they have to pay 15% and figure its worth it. But it has to be
    taken into account that in the case of cameras or electronics and many
    other things, that the warranty for something bought in the US is not
    usually good outside the US.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 25, 2005
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    BigBird Guest

    Is 4 batteries such a problem? Is it a weight/cost/size issues that concerns
    you? I have an A60 which you are probably aware is similar to the A75/A85. I
    find the 4 batteries weight it just right for my hands and rechargeables are
    so inexpensive now that cost is not an issue. 2 batteries may be preferable
    for you but don't let it have too much influence over your choice.
     
    BigBird, Mar 26, 2005
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  6. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    I have never seen the Olympus C760 here. Or it could be I've never paid
    attention if it is more than I want to pay.
    The Panasonic FZ 20 looks like a very nice camera but about $300.00 more
    than I want to pay. It looks more like an SLR type. I really can't
    justify paying much more than $250.00 US or under if I can find
    something I like.
    Thanks for your input.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 26, 2005
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  7. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    Well, 4 batteries is not a great problem, but two batteries seem
    preferable since thats what most cameras use and you only have to worry
    about 2 batteries running out instead of 4. In the reviews I looked at
    about the new Canon cameras A510 and A520 which came out in Jan. and
    Feb. and have two batteries and are replacing the A75 and the A85, one
    of the reasons for Canon changing to two batteries for the replacements,
    was because many people didn't like the bulkiness of 4 batteries and two
    batteries are preferred as its two less batteries to concern yourself
    with.
    But your're right. It shouldn't influence my choice. I've heard that the
    A75 and A85 are very good cameras with good quality photos.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 26, 2005
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    Oly C5050 or C5060 if size is not major concern. Very wide angle.
    Check the review on them. I have C5060 for wide angle coverage.
    Have dSLR as well.
    Tony
    Calgary
     
    Tony Hwang, Mar 26, 2005
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    ASAAR Guest

    I looked for a C5050 for quite some time before giving up (don't
    care to purchase used). Didn't consider the C5060 because it
    doesn't use AAs. Size wasn't too much of a concern so I got a Fuji
    S5100 which is actually quite small. But it will only fit in very
    large pockets, so it's not really suitable as a camera that will be
    taken everywhere.
     
    ASAAR, Mar 26, 2005
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  10. Cathy

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    C5060 is very easy on battery. I have two batteries. Carrying fully
    charged one as spare.
    Original poster said main use is indoor so I mentioned Oly. I think Oly
    optics is superior to Fuji.
    C5050 has brighter lens vs. C5060 has 4X optical zoom But overall 5050
    may be better
    camera than 5060.
    Tony.
     
    Tony Hwang, Mar 26, 2005
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  11. Cathy

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    B&H ships worldwide. I often buy things from them and they ship via USPS
    air parcel.
    Never had trouble with them.
    Tony
    Calgary
     
    Tony Hwang, Mar 26, 2005
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  12. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    The Olympus C5050 is a great looking camera, but its too big for me and
    more than I want to pay.
    I am looking for a compact camera that I can put in my purse.Doesn't
    have to be ultra light as they tend to be more money, but maybe
    something like M407, A75/A85/Kodak DX 7440 or Olympus D580 - along those
    lines. Thanks anyway.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 26, 2005
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  13. Cathy

    Ron Hunter Guest

    All the cameras you list would be suitable for the uses you describe. I
    would recommend the Kodak 7530 as a good camera for a non-technical type
    who is more interested in good pictures that photography as a hobby.
     
    Ron Hunter, Mar 26, 2005
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  14. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    Hi,
    Tony, I would have to pay 15% tax same as every province except
    Alberta. So say I was to order a camera from B&H valued at $250.00 US.
    Converted to Canadian dollars is $303.00 Can. X 15% = $45.90 Can.for
    taxes, plus $5.00 to Canada post = $49.90 plus $303.00 =$352.90 total.
    Unless the camera for example here costs $400.00 Can. plus 15% =$560.00
    Can. and I am desperate to get that camera and that camera only, and its
    only available in the US,why would I buy a camera from B& H. Also to be
    added is their shipping charge.
    Do you not mind paying Canada Customs tax when you order items from B&H?
    Our Customs exemption is only $17.00 US. Plus, most times cameras bought
    in the US have no valid warranty in Canada. If you are talking about
    items other than a camera and the value is very low, that might be OK
    for your purposes. But I never buy anything from the US. Too expensive.
    I have a thing about paying Customs taxes :) - its enough to pay Income
    tax.

    Its really all hypothetical anyway as I can buy many different cameras
    here which will be fine for me and are available in Canada, so why would
    I buy one there when I can get the exact same one here much cheaper with
    a warranty valid in my own country? The prices of digital cameras in
    Toronto stores (don't know about Calgary) have come down a lot in the
    past few months and still coming down.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 26, 2005
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  15. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    Yes, the Kodak CX 7530 seems OK and the price is quite good so its
    another consideration. I didn't see any reviews of it on the main review
    sites I usually look at but that doesn't always mean anything.. Do you
    own the Kodak CX 7530? I wouldn't mind a camera which had a few manual
    adjustments and not completely automatic, but photography as a hobby,
    even though I find it interesting, is not my primary goal unless I get
    carried away after I get the camera :).

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 26, 2005
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    ASAAR Guest

    That may be, but I have other reasons for preferring AA batteries.
    In 25 years if your cameras haven't been sold or given away and they
    aren't broken, you'd be able to take them out of storage, pop some
    AAs into the C5050 and see how much you remember. Do you think
    you'd be able to find a new or working battery for the C5060?

    I always liked the C5050, but the Fuji has some nice features of
    its own too. Not the least of which was that it uses AAs, is
    moderately priced, produces high quality images, and is available!
    :)
     
    ASAAR, Mar 26, 2005
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    Cathy Guest

    Ron, I just read about 9 customer reviews on the Kodak CX 7530 and most
    said the battery life was poor compared to other compact type cameras.
    Can't you buy chargeables for that camera?

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 26, 2005
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    Canon S50 is VERY good one Used one may be in your budget..
    Tony
     
    Tony Hwang, Mar 26, 2005
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  19. Cathy

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    25 years? Wow! I'd be dead by then, LOL. I never owned Fuji anything
    except using some films.
    Been playing with cameras since I was in elementary school that was in
    the '50s. My film camera outfit
    was all Minolta based on modified XK body. Now onto digital, Nikon,
    Canon, Oly and have Panasonic
    FZ20 on the way for occasional long zoom use. Lots of wild life(animals,
    birds) where I live.
    Tony
     
    Tony Hwang, Mar 26, 2005
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  20. Cathy

    Cathy Guest

    I like the look of the S50, but couldn't find it on any of the sites I
    check. I found S60 for $499.99 on Futureshop site. I usually look at
    Staples.ca or Futureshop or Best buy for camera prices.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Mar 26, 2005
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