Would You Buy This Particular Used Camera? (N80)

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Larry R Harrison Jr, Jul 25, 2003.

  1. I won a Nikon N80 on eBay today. One mistake I made--as it is a used camera
    (supposedly in "mint" condition), I should've asked beforehand how many
    photos it had been used for.

    Now that I've won the auction--total price of $265 including shipping (body
    only, with 12 CR2 batteries)--I asked how often the camera had been used.
    The person said probably about 50 rolls of 24 exposure film.

    Doesn't that seem like a lot for such a new camera? And I guess I'm
    asking--especially since right now Nikon has a $50 rebate on N80s, and a
    store down the road sells the body for $400 BRAND NEW, would you say that
    the N80 I won has been through too many films for me to pay $265 for it
    (again especially when I can get a new one--after rebate--for like $350)?

    Yes I know--should've asked before I bid. Live and learn.

    Opinions?
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Jul 25, 2003
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  2. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Alan Browne Guest

    50 rolls is 6 months of my use, 1 month of some people's use, 1 week of
    a few people's use. I'd call this camera "broken in" as opposed to used.

    12 CR2 batteries! that's worth about $100 or more in themselves... so
    (assuming the batteries are "fresh") you're paying less than $165 for a
    pretty damned good, broken in Nikon semi-pro camera.

    I'd say you've done well, assuming the camera is indeed as advertised.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 25, 2003
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    T P Guest


    You're obsessing. I use more than 50 rolls in an average *week*.

    Enjoy your "new" camera!

    ;-)
     
    T P, Jul 25, 2003
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  4. Larry R Harrison Jr

    Alan Browne Guest



    Rather expensive. Toilet paper is only 30 cents a roll and of course
    you develop it as you use it.

    ;-)
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 25, 2003
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    StillMan Guest

    Is "semi-pro" where you get paid for every other job?
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    StillMan, Jul 25, 2003
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    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    Well for a start, those CR2 batteries won't do you any good. The F80 uses
    CR123A batteries.
     
    Joseph Kewfi, Jul 25, 2003
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    Jeremy Guest

    x-no-archive: yes


    And, if anyone believes THAT, I can offer them a good deal on the Brooklyn
    Bridge!

    Fifty rolls a week! That crazy troll!!!
     
    Jeremy, Jul 25, 2003
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  8. Okay thanks for the tips.

    Quick follow-up: it appears to come with 8 total CR2 batteries not 12.
    There were 6 in the photo (the "extras" sited) then if you assume 2 in
    the camera itself that would be 8 total.

    Either way you guys say it's a good deal, so I guess I feel better
    about it.

    I just got to thinking is all. You know, after rebate, I could have a
    new one for $350 (plus tax, I know) and that was not that much more
    than $265 for one that had shot about 1000 individual photographs. Got
    me wondering.

    But I guess you're right--throw in the tax, not to mention how much
    that many batteries (6 or 8) are worth, and it does seem like a good
    deal.

    Can't wait to get it. My N65 has done me fine in the less than 1 month
    I've had it, but the N80--now ***that's*** a nice camera. (Of course
    if my photos still look like junk my wife is REALLY going to kill me.
    I can hear her now--yeah, it's a nice camera, but you really STINK at
    taking photographs. You could buy an F5 or a Hasselblad and your
    photos would STILL look like crap. Nag nag nag!)

    :)

    PS--If that happens, I'll point out the photos of our 2-year old son
    that I've lost with the N65 because of its "focus priority" release
    which is almost non-overridable since continuous AF is basically
    embedded in the "action" mode, useless indoors. (His smiles are
    extremely quick and fleeting, and there have been times my focus was
    99.9995% dead-on--and with me shooting at f/8, depth of field would've
    easily covered such a meaningless error--yet the camera delayed
    shooting until refocusing, by which time he wasn't smiling anymore.)
    With the N80's S - C / M switch rather than the N65's AF / M switch,
    that should fix it.

    LRH
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Jul 26, 2003
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    StillMan Guest

    I thought Nike-Whores were the guys who got paid to wear a particular brand
    of sports shoe.



    --
     
    StillMan, Jul 26, 2003
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    T P Guest


    More personal attacks from Mr Deeply Ignorant!
     
    T P, Jul 26, 2003
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    stan Guest

    50 rolls of film and babied like a love one? Or 50 rolls of film in hot humid
    conditions and not taken care of? 50 rolls of film isn't much, as others have
    pointed out. But more important than the number of rolls is how well the camera
    was cared for. My F-3 has had un unknown number f rolls run through it (1000??)
    and functions perfectly. Because I take care of it. I doubt you'll get a better
    deal for the money . Happy shooting.
    Stan
    Visual Arts Photography
     
    stan, Jul 26, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Oddly enough that occured to me too and I was tempted to invoke the holy
    name of Lion Forest too...let it dangle and someone else sure-as-hell...

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 26, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I hate to rain on your parade, but if your photos usually look like
    junk, buying a new camera body is invariably the wrong cure.

    Take a course, join a club.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 27, 2003
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  14. Actually you haven't rained on my parade. I'm well aware of that
    reality--if your photos suck with an N55, they will probably still
    suck with an F5.

    (Or in my case, N65 & N80.)

    I am, in fact, considering taking a class or joining some club of some
    sort if they offer one (I'm sure they do). I mainly have wanted out of
    the N80 (a) ability to specifically select things I can't specifically
    select in the N65 (continuous AF, continuous motor drive, metering
    mode), especially the continuous AF (b) use of conventional threaded
    cable release rather than model-specific remote control and (c)
    ability to spot-meter. The N65 has done me ok for the most part but I
    hate how I can't specify continuous AF unless I use one of those silly
    "vari-program" options. I've missed many a photo where the camera
    believed it was out of focus but given the small aperture I was using
    depth of field would've covered it. The lag caused me to miss shots.
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Jul 29, 2003
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    columbotrek Guest

    Maybe, maybe not. In the days before auto focus, if you needed to catch
    those fleeting moments, you had to refocus. Even with auto focus you
    should prefocus. This means getting a focus lock, recomposing as needed
    then wait for the right instant to release the shutter. With the N65
    and the N80 you could do this by holding the shutter release half way
    down until the exact moment. There is also a button which can be used
    to lock focus and exposure. At least on the N80 there is.
     
    columbotrek, Jul 30, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest


    My old Maxxum 7xi has the incredible gall to refuse to release if it is
    not happy with the focus or the metering in some situations. So getting
    a machine that obeyed me rather than its designers logic has been a
    great relief. (Maxxum 9).

    Spot metering without attention to the color of the spot being metered
    should be a point of attention. I recomend buying a very expensive
    accesorry called a "grey card" (about $3.00) and to make comparisons of
    the grey card spot metering v. the subject. 2 stop and more variations
    are easilly found (between say a dark tree and the greycard. The grey
    card is, of course, the correct exposure, the dark tree would cause a
    1.5 to 2 stop over-exp). You will learn a lot about exposure using a
    grey card as a near infallible "true" reference. (If you shoot slides,
    most especially).

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 30, 2003
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  17. [snip]

    Not sure if that was a sarcastic comment. Hmm. I've read many helpful
    posts from you in the past, so I'll assume it was meant in humor. No
    problem.

    To clarify, I don't mind a camera being ***able*** to take charge and
    prevent wasted film due to the would-be photo being way out of focus,
    flash not being charged, etc. But that said, in the situation I was
    describing the subject was--seriously--only just a TAD out of focus.
    Barely even noticeable even at wide-open aperture.

    Which brings me to the main thing--in those situtions, besides the
    fact that the nature of the photo required the camera to IMMEDIATELY
    take the photo, I was shooting at like f/8 or f/11, which would
    definitely provide enough depth of field to cover such a tiny error.
    The camera's insistence on refocusing as if it was WAYYYY out of focus
    caused me to miss shots where the need for it to snap the photo
    IMMEDIATELY was paramount.

    Yes I could turn off the AF altogether--the N65 will then immediately
    snap regardless of its opinion on focusing--but to me why should I
    update from a glorious classic like the FE if I'm going to be turning
    off the AF all the time anyway? That's why I like the N80 giving you
    the option of specifically ORDERING it to continuous autofocus without
    having to use a "vari-program" mode which doesn't allow you to specify
    aperture/shutter speed. Then, it takes the photo period no matter
    whether it ***thinks*** it's out of focus.

    LRH
     
    Larry R Harrison Jr, Jul 30, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Not at all. them's the facts. If I decide now is the decisive moment,
    then the camera better fire, toute-suite.
    If you understand these things, then you should conrol these things.
    The camera should obey. One analogy goes "Do you want to get that
    crucial shot of the cop killing a robbery suspect in the street slightyl
    blurry, or not at all?"
    Exactly. This is why the Maxxum 7xi, a fine camera, was frustrating to
    me in some situations.

    By the way, faster lenses will result in less AF hunting. For example a
    f/2.8 lens delivers about 2.5 times the light as an f/4.5 lens and the
    AF benefits from that as well (regardless of aperture setting as the
    aperture is always wide open for AF control).
    If you shoot off a tripod (a good habit/neccesity for a lot of
    photography), then you might consider using AF less in any case.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 31, 2003
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