Wrong colours

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by MikeM, May 16, 2005.

  1. MikeM

    MikeM Guest

    I just got back the CDs of photos of my daughter's wedding from the
    photographer and in some of the photos in the church the brown brick
    wall of the church has a greenish tinge and in the shots taken at the
    alter her white wedding dress is pink. Also, the white table cloths at
    the reception are a light beige. Are these incorrect colours likely to
    be caused by the film or the processing? The bridesmaids dresses were
    red, could this have affected the colour of the wedding dress?

    Thanks
    Mike
     
    MikeM, May 16, 2005
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    james Guest

    The photographer, hopefully, shot a gray card, a color card, and perhaps
    recorded some spot metering info pertaining to skin tones, the white in
    the dress, and the ambient light.

    Armed with these you can correct the color. It's part of the reason you
    hire a professional to do things like weddings.
     
    james, May 16, 2005
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    Alan Guest

    Sounds like daylight film may have been used under fluroescent light?
     
    Alan, May 16, 2005
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  4. There are a number of possibilities. I would start by suggesting that
    your monitor may not be color matched to what the photographer is using.
    The originals may be fine. It could be a scanning problem or any of many
    possible issues.

    Ask the photographer about it and have him or her make a sample print of
    any photo you are interested in.
     
    Joseph Meehan, May 16, 2005
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  5. Likely there was fluorescent lighting overhead... You will have to Photo
    Shop (nooooooooo) the images to correct the color...
    denny
     
    Dennis O'Connor, May 16, 2005
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  6. MikeM

    MikeM Guest

    I printed the photos before I posted the original mssage and the
    colours were the same as on the monitor.

    Mike
     
    MikeM, May 16, 2005
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  7. MikeM

    MikeM Guest

    I have PSE v. 1.0, but I suppose it might do the job. But it won't
    help with the print which is among those we had to buy to get the
    scans/negs.

    Mike
     
    MikeM, May 16, 2005
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    jimkramer Guest

    Did you pay for the CD or is it a proofs CD?

    Jim Kramer
     
    jimkramer, May 16, 2005
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  9. MikeM

    james Guest

    You're not satisfied with the work of the photographer you hired.
    That's the root of your problem. The color problems you describe
    sound like what others have explained; flourescent light on an exposure
    that was balanced for daylight or maybe tungsten.

    That's the exact kind of mistake that you're trying to avoid by hiring a
    professional, and the reason you don't let the bride's shutterbug uncle
    try to do it. But it sounds like you got "uncle-quality" for
    professional rates.

    It *can* be fixed, fairly easily, in the digital domain, once you know
    what went wrong.

    If the photgrapher was really being careful, the first shot on each roll
    of film was a color test card and/or a gray card. Then there is a
    reference to calibrate against for printing.
     
    james, May 16, 2005
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  10. MikeM

    MikeM Guest

    When the amount spent on ordered prints by both families reached a
    minimum amount we were given the CDs of high-res scans.

    Mike
     
    MikeM, May 16, 2005
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    jimkramer Guest

    Do the print look good? i.e. color correct?

    Jim
     
    jimkramer, May 16, 2005
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  12. MikeM

    MikeM Guest

    No. It's the same as on the screen, and the print bought from the
    photographer is same.

    Mike
     
    MikeM, May 17, 2005
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    Colin D Guest

    Did the photog use film, or digital? Flash for the bride at the altar?
    There is the classic setup for wrong - and basically uncorrectable
    colors. The flash illuminates the bride, the ambient illuminates the
    background -two different light sources. Possibly the dress is pink as
    the result of an effort to balance the greenish background. If no
    flash, was there mixed lighting in the church, say incandescent over the
    altar and fluoro elsewhere? If so, then the photog probably couldn't do
    much about that other than extensive photoshopping.

    If he used film, there is the possibility of faulty processing causing
    'crossed color' in the negatives, whereby the shadows and darker areas
    have a different balance to the lighter areas. Attempting to balance
    the shadows causes the opposite cast to appear in the highlights, and
    vice versa. I hope this isn't the case as it's almost impossible to
    fix.

    In any case, I would ask the photog exactly why the colors are off and
    see what he says.

    Colin
     
    Colin D, May 17, 2005
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    jimkramer Guest

    Then hand the CD back to him and ask why the prints aren't color corrected.
    I would never color correct anything until after it was ordered from a proof
    CD or the web, not worth my time and +99% of the people buying would never
    notice/care, but after the print order comes in, then I would color
    correct/balance. This is not rocket science, but it does requite some
    attention, and unless you bought from a cheap scoundrel he/she should fix
    it, all of it including the prints. Don't accept "That's just the way it
    is."

    Jim Kramer
     
    jimkramer, May 17, 2005
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    Nick Zentena Guest


    A person would have to be pretty brain dead to worry about the background
    and screw up the bride's dress. 30 minutes after the wedding no one is going
    to remember the background. OTOH everybody will notice a white wedding dress
    not being white. What kind of wedding lab doesn't know a white dress is
    supposed to be white?

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, May 17, 2005
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  16. "OTOH everybody will notice a white wedding dress
    not being white."

    In some circles, that's like, one of the biggest insults you could
    possibly make! Certainly the sort of thing that could mess up your
    repuation as a wedding photographer. Or get you dumped in the East
    River wearing cement shoes, if you make this mistake at the wrong
    family's wedding... ;-)
     
    James Of Tucson, May 18, 2005
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  17. before you use the photog for such a big once in a life time event, why
    dont you try him out first.
    let him develop a few rolls, or see his previous work, or get shots at
    his studio.
     
    Mr.Bolshoy Huy, May 18, 2005
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