Xtol in new packaging

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Lloyd Erlick, Oct 12, 2005.

  1. Lloyd Erlick

    Lloyd Erlick Guest

    October 12, 2005


    I just bought some Xtol, and found it in the
    new packaging from Kodak. Much better than
    the old pack that was prone to puncture.

    I don't remember the following sentence from
    the old pack. It's on the new one:

    "5 litres of solution will completely fill a
    1 gallon container plus a 1 quart container
    with little or no air space."

    So this is the answer to the question, why
    did Kodak pack it in a five litre size? So it
    could be stored in near-airless containers. I
    still prefer to put it into five one litre
    containers.

    Am I behind the times on this? I don't
    remember any such information in the past.

    Also, Kodak has used the 'litre' spelling.
    I've always seen Americans use 'liter', and I
    use it myself. I doubt Kodak would print
    different packaging for Canada. Is my memory
    failing completely? I'm sure I would have
    noticed Kodak spelling it this way ...

    regards,
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    Lloyd Erlick, Oct 12, 2005
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  2. Naw, it is the rationalization for making a 5
    litre package, which is pretty effing dumb
    for the US market. Pedantically: 5 litres is the
    'Euro-Gallon' and is close to Britain's
    'Imperial Gallon'; 1 UK gallon = 4 1/2 litres
    = 1.2 US gallons.
    Is Kodak abandoning the US market?? "Lucky
    Kodak" of Shanghai? Le Grande Jaune Dieu?

    All part of a Communist, UN, Tri-lateral,
    Trotskyite, Democratic Party, Sikorski
    Helicopter plot ...

    Five litres does, however, fit nicely into
    3 1.75 litre whisky jugs.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Oct 12, 2005
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  3. Lloyd Erlick

    lew Guest

    ....and the job of emptying those jugs, especially if they originate in
    Scotland, is even nicer.
     
    lew, Oct 12, 2005
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  4. TTTT, I use jugs from cheap vodka: the jugs are _thick_ PET plastic;
    and the vodka leaves no residue.

    In bartending lessons [the only course I took in college that I still
    use; touch typing was the most valuable high school course] I learned
    that the pour spouts in liquor bottles, and the little spouts for
    1/5's, are designed to pour at a rate of 10ml/second. 3 'elephants'
    and you have poured an ounce. A little bit of practice and you can
    get to +/- 10%. So if you think the barkeep is generously pouring
    free-hand drinks, guess again. I use the pour spouts for dispensing
    Hypo Clear stock.

    I suppose you could add photoflo to the vodka to make a more
    easily diluted drying agent.

    The accessory spouts have the flow controlled with a little
    air hole. Cover the hole and the flow stops PDQ.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Oct 12, 2005
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  5. Lloyd Erlick

    Peter Chant Guest

    Just a quick question. Have you a cocktail shaker in your darkroom. I've
    got visions of you mixing up ID11 with a slice of lemon.

    I suppose you could use the lemon in the stop.
     
    Peter Chant, Oct 13, 2005
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  6. Lloyd Erlick

    Bernie Guest

    Lloyd, the five liter size is because this product is packaged for sale
    throughout the world and liters are the most common measure outside the US.
    As for spelling, the same thing applies where litre is the common spelling
    in Europe. I think Kodak is trying to do more of this lately where all the
    languages and safety warnings are on one package that is sold everywhere.

    As for splitting the five liters between a gallon and quart container, maybe
    someone at Kodak still has a sense of humor and is trying to have a little
    fun with the "dumb Americans" who complain about what to do with the extra
    Xtol that won't fit in their one gallon jug.
     
    Bernie, Oct 13, 2005
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  7. It`s probably healthier to drink Xtol than ID11 for the vitamin C alone, the
    ID11 cocktail may make people think negative thoughts.
    A drop of citric or acetic acid should put a stop to that.
    If people wish to drink processing chemicals, they should be more positive
    and drink E-6.
    It`s much more enjoyable to drink the Vodka or Whisky though, provided you
    can face the hangover the following morning.
     
    Keith Tapscott, Oct 13, 2005
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  8. Lloyd Erlick

    John Guest

    For over 30 years America has been dragging its feet about going
    metric. I sure with they'd get the lead out.

    John
     
    John, Oct 14, 2005
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  9. Lloyd Erlick

    John Guest

    Nonsense says I ! It is well known that ID-11 develops sharper
    details. Perhaps we should send a ton to Dubya ?

    John
     
    John, Oct 14, 2005
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  10. You mean 'dragging its meters'?
    Decimalist!

    What could be more natural than base 2? 1/32" inch, 1/16" inch ...
    and then we toss in a factor of three in feet/yd just to show
    lack of prejudice ...

    Wasn't there some French scheme for 100 minute hours,
    10 hour days, 10 day weeks and 10 month years?

    Along with Alexander Abian's scheme for letting off atomic bombs
    to straighten the Earth's tilt, make its orbit circular and
    boot the Moon out of the Solar System, I wonder if he considered
    altering relative rotations so we had 100 day years.
    With away. Britain will drive on the right before America goes
    metric.

    The US Gov. demands engineering plans in metric. Amazing the number
    of parts that are 2.54 cm wide.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Oct 14, 2005
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  11. Thank [insert name of diety here] we haven't. Over my dead body, etc.

    I'll take feet, inches, ounces, quarts, gallons and miles over their metric
    counterparts, and leave those to the pointy-headed scientific types, thank you
    very much.

    I still remember the chaos after some genius in the highway dep't. "metrified"
    the speed limit signs on the highway between Tucson and Nogales, Son. back in
    the 19-ought-70s. Those drunken idiots coming back from Mexico interpreted the
    80 kph signs (or whatever they were; the actual speed limit was 55 mph) as
    mph, with lots of accidents and tickets ensuing.

    It ain't gonna happen.


    --
    .... asked to comment on Michigan governor George Romney's remark that
    the army had "brainwashed" him in Vietnam—-a remark which knocked Romney
    out of the running for the Republican nomination—-McCarthy quipped,
    "I think in that case a light rinse would have been sufficient."

    (Eugene McCarthy, onetime candidate for POTUS)
     
    David Nebenzahl, Oct 14, 2005
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  12. Lloyd Erlick

    John Guest

    Definitely. Nothing like having to convert a bunch of 1/64ths for
    machine work to make you really appreciate a base-10 system.

    John
     
    John, Oct 15, 2005
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  13. I think you have it bass ackwards:

    If you were taught base 16 as your _native_ number system
    then base 10 would be the weird one. You would not have to
    convert 1/64ths to 1/1000ths - you would think in base
    two/four/eight/sixteen, as is only fitting in the digital age.

    A child raised as a hexist would look at his hand and seeing,
    properly, 4 fingers and 1 thumb would be able to count
    to 31 on one hand rather than a puny five. Both hands would
    be good for counting to 1023.

    In sum, base 10 is bloody useless, provincial and anthropic.

    If a base other than 2 or a power thereof is to be used I
    vote for balanced ternary.

    http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/14405/page/5
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Oct 15, 2005
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  14. Wouldn't be so bad if all our measurements were base 16. We have
    inches, feet, yards , miles, degrees, radians, 2 kinds of ounces, 2
    kinds of pints, etc.The snail's pace is a convenient unit for my
    internet connection. That is a furlong per fortnight.
     
    PATRICK GAINER, Oct 30, 2005
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  15. The ascorbate in Xtol is not vitamin C, although it could just as well
    be as far as film is concerned. The isoascorbate is the mirror image of
    vitamin C, but does not have the antiscorbutic propertiies of vitamin C.
    Another name for isoascorbic acid is erythorbic acid. No big deal. Just
    a matter of interest.
     
    PATRICK GAINER, Oct 31, 2005
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